Goldsmith Family Ramsgate Kent

[greentrad]

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There was a plasterer called Jabez Janes from Breamore, Fordingbridge, New Forest, Hants c.1820 who married Maria Cooper from Edgeware Lodge, New Forest Hants (extra-parochial) between Jan-Mar 1843 at the New Forest, Hants. (Vol.8 p.293). On the 1851 census they were living at Pound House,  Speen, Speenhamland, Near Newbury, Berkshire. with no children and one servant, Emily Middleton aged 14. (perhaps mistranscribed (?) on LDS IGI as surname "James"). Neither he nor his wife appear in subsequent UK census records so we can assume that they either died, changed their name or emigrated.

There was a Jabez James Berridge d.o.b. 13/1/1819 baptised at the Above Barr Independent Chapel, Southampton, Hants on 15/8/1821 son of Thomas and Hephzibah Berridge.Jabez appears to have had 2 brothers (born to the same unusually named parents) as follows: Perry Berridge, baptised in Newport Pagnall, Buckinghamshire on 2/1/1811 and Edwin Berridge, baptised in Bedford, Bedfordshire on 23/7/1835.I can find no record of the marriage of Thomas and Hepzibah Berridge on Ancestry, LDS IGI or Non-conformist BMD records.

Above Bar Congregational Church:
The church was founded in 1662 under the ministry of Rev Nathaniel Robinson. Having outgrown the original chapel, the a new building was erected on the site in 1727. This was later demolished in 1819 and replaced by an even larger building, the first stone of which was laid on 1 April 1819, and the building was completed on 20 April 1820, having cost nearly £6,000. A re-opening service was held on 6 November 1889.
The Church was the main Non-Conformist church in the city in the nineteenth century, when it was known as Above Bar Independent Chapel (later on becoming Above Bar Congregational Chapel, the oldest church in the Congregational Union. The pastor from 1810 to 1868 was Rev. Thomas Adkins.

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[roberts-janes]

thanks Greentrad - same name as my Jabez Janes who was born in Hampshire in 1822 but apart from that I can see no other connection.. my Jabez was in Melbourne Australia in 1854 where he was said to have married Maria Ann Goldsmith but no records can be found and he is later charged with deserting his 6 illegitimate children.. do you know if he was baptised in n Hampshire in 1822 and his parents names..  I have no other info on him - he is a mystery to me.. thanks for your help, Margot in Melbourne.

[roberts-janes]

thanks Roger for the info on the name Goldsmith - that's interesting - always wondered where it came from - now I know

[roberts-janes]

Hi Greentrad and anyone interested - Re. your post -
Sarah Ellen Elizabeth Goldsmith (b.1846 Ramsgate)
Baptised 9/8/1846, St Georges, Ramsgate (LDS IGI)
1864 - According to one researcher on Ancestry, she apparently went to Australia with young brother Walter to search for her sisters Maria & Caroline Goldsmith who emigrated in 1854. Young Walter had been in the care of his older brother Robert who lost his 1st wife in 1862, so presumably she was looking for someone to look after him. She married there and remained in Australia.
in My Victorian B D & M records I found -
Sarah Ellen Goldsmith married in Victoria, Australia to Henry Hall in 1865 and had children- Henry Walter Hall in 1866 in Williamstown , who died age 8 weeks in Williamstown, and Ellen Goldsmith Hall in Williamstown in 1867. 
Of the brother Walter Goldsmith I found he married Mary Ann Parkinson in 1866, and had the following children all in Williamstown, Victoria –
James Cook Walter Parkinson Goldsmith 1867, Elizabeth Eve Goldsmith 1869, Adam Walter Goldsmith 1872, died 10 months 1872, Walter Goldsmith 1873, died 1 month 1873, Walter Harry Goldsmith 1874, Rhoda Amelia Goldsmith 1877, Elizabeth Redgrave Ross Goldsmith 1879, Oliver Goldsmith 1881, Walter Goldie Bothwell Goldsmith 1884.
All my Goldsmith, Janes & Roberts family lived in Williamstown near Melbourne.  I hope this helps someone, Margot in Melbourne.

[Wheatman]

Margot,

Thank you for the additional info, it all helps to build the"picture"

Regards

Roger

[greentrad]

Many thanks for the extra info Margot.

From one of those left behind in Blighty!

  xx

[Wheatman]

Dear Margot and Greentrad

http://www.mundia.com/au/Person/15410620/459371675

Browsing the internet for the Australian connection I came across the above link to a family tree which suggests that we have acompetitor for our Walter and the Australian connection set out by Margot.

The tree suggests(states) that Walter was born in Gravesend in 1848.

One of us is wrong, I suspect them.

Your thoughts please

Regards

Roger

[roberts-janes]

Hi Roger,
I checked my Digger marriage records and found the Walter Goldsmith link as -

Surname: GOLDSMITH
Given Names: Walter
Event: Marriage
Spouse Surname/: PARKINSON
Spouse Gvn Names/: Mary Ann
Birth Place: GRAVESEND
Year: 1866
Reg Number: 2906
so don't know if he is the wrong Walter or he wasn't sure where he was born for the record..!!   will look further.
If any one wants me to look up Victorian B D & M records or inquest or other records I have at home I'm happy to do so..
Margot in Melbourne.

[roberts-janes]

Hi Roger, I've looked further and compared what I had to what you found and this is the result - other version for Walter Thomas Goldsmith - 1847-1888 -
info from - http://www.mundia.com/au/Person/15410620/459371675
Father - James Cook Goldsmith 1815-1884
Mother - Elizabeth Walter 1819-1885
Brother - James Goldsmith 1842-1842
Brother - James Walter Goldsmith 1843-1913
Brother - Joseph Goldsmith 1845-1853
Brother - Harry Edward Paynter Goldsmith 1859-1940
Wife - Mary Ann PARKINSON 1847-1938
Son - James Cook Walter Parkinson GOLDSMITH 1867-1949
Daughter - Elizabeth Eve GOLDSMITH 1869-
Son - Walter Harry GOLDSMITH 1873-1928

but on checking our Goldsmith's - from your records- the parents are different. So WRONG WALTER...!!  ours are - family of - Walter Joseph Goldsmith (b.1849 Ramsgate) parents - Charles & Maria’s Goldsmith children:-

Charles James (b.1826 Ramsgate d.1867 Petersham NSW)
Married Anna Maria Lawrence 13/4/1857 Sydney NSW
Children: Ann M (b.1859 Sydney)
Henrietta Caroline (b.1861 Sydney)

Robert George (b.1828 Ramsgate d.1824 Ramsgate)
Married twice: 1. Caroline Keen (b.1830 Herne, Kent d.1862 Herne, Kent)
          2. Sarah Hollands (b.1838 Margate)

William Henry (b.1830 Ramsgate)
Baptised 31/10/1830 Ramsgate, Kent (LDS IGI)
always the possibility that he went to Australia too.

Richard Daniel (b & d 1832)
Baptised 19/8/1832, Buried 23/8/1832, St Georges Ramsgate (LDS IGI)

Maria Ann (b.1833 Ramsgate)
Baptised 14/7/1833, St Georges, Ramsgate (LDS IGI)
1851 - working in Ramsgate as a servant.
Emigrated to Australia in 1850s. Married Jabez Janes 1854 - Had 7 children.

Elizabeth Pullen (b.1835 Ramsgate) married Peter Bedford Keogh in Australia
Baptised 26/7/1835, St Georges, Ramsgate (LDS IGI)
1851 census dress maker
1854 emigrated to Australia (this info & marriage from Ancestry members family tree) no citations.

James Freeman (b.1837 Ramsgate)
Married Harriet Paul 1872, Kensington, London

Caroline Frances (b.1841 Ramsgate d.1869 Williamstown Victoria Aus)
Married Archibald Price from Dunbarton Scotland on 22/1/1859 at Williamstown.
4 children born Williamstown, Victoria, Australia.
Archibald (1860), William (1862), Richard (1864) & Robert (1866)

Mary Louise (b.1843, Ramsgate)
No further information. Maybe died young.

Sarah Ellen Elizabeth (b.1846 Ramsgate)
Baptised 9/8/1846, St Georges, Ramsgate (LDS IGI)
1864 - According to one researcher on Ancestry, she apparently went to Australia with young brother Walter to search for her sisters Maria & Caroline who emigrated in 1854. Young Walter had been in the care of his older brother Robert who lost his 1st wife in 1862, so presumably she was looking for someone to look after him. She married there and remained in Australia.

Walter Joseph (b.1849 Ramsgate)
Baptised 17/6/1849 Ramsgate, kent (LDS IGI)
1861 - with brother & wife in Ramsgate.
SO OURS IS WALTER JOSEPH GOLDSMITH..
hope this now sorts it out ..
from Margot in Melbourne