Tennent/Tennant

[Valda]

Hi

Agnes Watkins' maiden name is unlikely to be Hughes - she would be to old, birth circa 1811 - it should be Wilson if this is the right family. Whoever was the Hughes parent of Ann Elizabeth  Hughes would be a child of the third possible marriage, if this Agnes senior is the correct candidate.

James Longman Gawler was a 'professional' witness as St Mary's Lambeth - he was the clerk of the parish

'James Longman Gawler. dates: 1788-1866 - botanist'
'Ann Gawler (1791-1844), of Lambeth; wife of James Longman Gawler, parish clerk and undertaker, also a botanist'


Regards

Valda

[toni*]

  Sorry Valda i meant Wilson

[toni*]

Banns were read at St Mary Hanwell (Ealing) for John Watkins Bachelor and Ann Wilson Spinster BOTP
on 10 July 1831 by J Buck
17 July 1831 by Rev D Walmer
24 July 1831  by Rev J Buck

[mef]

 ???Hello all and so manythanks for all your replies.    I think ?? I am going with the parents of Alexander Tennat (1816) as being Thomas Tennat and Ann Wilson, who were married by banns on 9th August, 1813, Parish of Chelsea, County Middlesex.

However I have no clue as to Ann's maiden name as it is not stated anywhere I can find.

Next I have a Thomas Tennent, who we agree lived on Jews Row, being buried 27th February 1818 aged 40, St. Lukes Chelsea.   

I accept that Ann (Wilson, Tennent) then married on 15 Jan 1819 married at S.t Mary, Lambeth, John Hughes by banns.

(I cant as yet correlate any fourth marriage with Watkins, but have not discounted it permenently.)

Alexander Tennent and Margaret Jane (Brighton) were married in 1835 and immigrated to Australia 1851 with family.

Alexander Tennent died Collingwood Victoria Australia 1886, with wife being cited as Margaret Jane Black (But should be Brighton) Aged...72.

Margaret Jane Tennent (Brighton) died in Collingwood Victoria Australia in July 1873.

Would someone please have a look at this and confirm what I think is correct?

Many thanks, MEF

[Valda]

Hi

The marriage of Agnes Wilson to John Watkins would be that of Alexander Tennant's older half sister from his mother's first marriage.

1851 census HO107 1577 folio 61
1 Phoenix Wharf Battersea
Agnes Hughes 73 Head Widow Scotland
Agnes Watkins 40 Daughter Widow Warehousewoman Woodbridge Suffolk (on the 1871 and 1881 censuses states birthplace as Battersea and then Scotland)
William Watkins 16 Grandson Plasterer's Labourer Braintree Essex
Susannah Watkins 14 Granddaughter Day servant Battersea Surrey
Ann Elizabeth Hughes 13 Granddaughter Battersea Surrey

Regards

Valda

[toni*]

would Agnes death cert. show her maiden name ?
burial
St Mary, Battersea Wandsworth 29th May 1851
Agnes Hughes aged 75, Battersea

added GRo :
Deaths Jun 1851   
Hughes    Agnes        Wandsworth    4   39 or 58   

[toni*]

To summarise :


Thomas Tennat  was married by Banns on,
9th AUg 1813
Thomas Tennat Bachelor OTP and Ann Wilson widow By Banns at St Luke Chelsea
by John Rush curate
x the mark of T Tennat
x the mark of A Wilson
wits: John ..... and John Baker (both signed)

 ** Ann / Agnes had a daughter from her first marriage also called Ann /Agnes


Thomas and Ann / Agnes had a son, Alexander Tennat
Baptised10 Nov 1816
s/o Thomas &  Agnes
St Luke, Chelsea
Date: 10 Nov 1816
Thomas was a shoemaker
 residing in Jews Row


Thomas Tennett of Jews Row was buried on 27 Feb 1818 aged 40 at St Lukes Chelsea


On 15 Jan 1819
Agnes Tennant Widow OTP (St Mary Lambeth)
married
John Hughes Bachelor OTP 
by banns
by Arthur Gibson Curate
x the mark of John Hughes
x the mark of Agnes Tennant

A John Hughes and Agnes baptised a daughter. Susanna, on12 Dec 1819 at  Marylebone
** this is NOT confirmed as being the daughter of your John Hughes and Agnes


Banns were read at St Mary Hanwell (Ealing) for John Watkins Bachelor and Ann Wilson Spinster BOTP
on 10 July 1831 by J Buck
17 July 1831 by Rev D Walmer
24 July 1831  by Rev J Buck
** this is Ann / Agnes the daughter of Ann / Agnes previous marriage

in 1841 just a few houses away from the Tennant family
1841 census HO107 1046/2 folio 17
Bollington Gardens Battersea Surrey
Agnes Hughes 60
Ane Hughes 4
Agnes Watkins 30
William Watkins 7
Susannah Watkins 5
all born Surrey

and 1851
1851 census HO107 1577 folio 61
1 Phoenix Wharf Battersea
Agnes Hughes 73 Head Widow Scotland
Agnes Watkins 40 Daughter Widow Warehousewoman Woodbridge Suffolk (on the 1871 and 1881 censuses states birthplace as Battersea and then Scotland)
William Watkins 16 Grandson Plasterer's Labourer Braintree Essex
Susannah Watkins 14 Granddaughter Day servant Battersea Surrey
Ann Elizabeth Hughes 13 Granddaughter Battersea Surrey


Burial
St Mary, Battersea Wandsworth 29th May 1851
Agnes Hughes aged 75, Battersea
(GRO ref Wandsworth Q2 1851 Agnes Hughes 4     39 or 58)

And possible for John (there are other Hughes being buried in Battersea at the same time)
St Mary, Battersea Wandsworth 30th May 1837 
John Hughes aged 72, Battersea

Susan/Susannah Watkins on her marriage to William Baker in Battersea in 1855 gave her father's details as John Watkins, Labourer

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Alexander b. 1816 m. Margaret Jane Brighton in 1836


They had several children (as found by Valda) :
St Mary, Battersea 18th October 1836 born 10th October
Elizabeth Jane Tenant parents Alexander and Margaret Jane, Battersea, father's occupation labourer
buried at the same church 11th December 1837 aged 14 months Elizabeth Tenant

same church
9th September 1840 born same day
Caroline Tennant parents Alexander and Margaret, Battersea, father's occupation labourer

14th January 1844 born 25th November 1843
Jane Tennant parents Alexander and Margaret, Battersea, father's occupation labourer

19th April 1846 born 26th March
Harriet Tennant parents Alexander and Margaret Jane, Battersea, father's occupation labourer

1st April 1849 born 5th June 1848
Alexander Tennant parents Alexander and Margaret Jane, Battersea, father's occupation labourer
buried 12th July aged 3 1851

13th October 1850 born 23rd September
Thomas Tennant parents Alexander and Margaret, Battersea, father's occupation bricklayer

27th November 1853 born 27th September
Henry Tennent parents Alexander and Margaret, Battersea, father's occupation bricklayer


1841 census HO107 1046/2 folio 17
Bolington Gardens Battersea Surrey
Ellie Tennant 25 Lab. Born Surrey
Margarett Tennant 20 born Surrey
Caroline Tennant 9 Months born Surrey
Adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.


1851
HO107; Piece: 1577; Folio: 138; Page: 2 Battersea - St Johns Road
Alexander Tenant 36 Head of Household born Middx, Chelsea: Bricklayer employing 1 Labourer
Margaret Tenant 34 Wife born Chelsea
Caroline Tenant 10 dau born Battersea
Jane Tenant 8 dau ditto
Harriet Tenant 5 dau ditto
Alexander Tenant 3 son ditto
Thomas Tenant 6 Mo son ditto


Alexander and Margaret arrived in Portland on 6 January 1855 on board the Birmingham. Port of departure: Plymouth.
Children with them were Caroline (14), Jane (10), Harriet (, Thomas (3) and Henry (1).


Alexander Tennent died Collingwood Victoria Australia 1886, with wife being cited as Margaret Jane Black (But should be Brighton) Aged...72.

Margaret Jane Tennent (Brighton) died in Collingwood Victoria Australia in July 1873.

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It appears Ann / Agnes originated in Scotland and she was aged 73/75 in 1851 thus born circa 1777 hopefully her death certificate will show maiden name but this is not a dead cert. As the person giving the information would have had to know her maiden name.
Another way to find out would be to locate Ann / Agnes first daughter (also Ann / Agnes) bp. circa 1811 in Woodbridge Battersea or Scotland (as per the census I would go fro Battersea first)  – this would then say her fathers name and then you can locate a marriage betwixt Ann / Agnes senior and the father to give her maiden name unless she was a widow on that marriage. 32 is a bit long in the tooth for a first marriage (in my opinion)

 

[Valda]

Hi

Maiden names are not shown on death certificates in England at this time

http://www.direct.gov.uk/dr_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_176222.pdf

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm


Regards

Valda

[toni*]

Hi

Maiden names are not shown on death certificates in England at this time

Regards

Valda

ah i see it wasnt recorded until April 1st 1969 so it looks like it the long way round to find her maiden name