The Roe family in dublin map

[seanIRL]

The pension applications online so far only give one Roe, William Charles Roe which is likely the man you found before.
I think all the 1916 ones are online and you would expect if he lost a leg he would definitely have applied for a pension.
There is still the possibility his application isn't online yet assuming he did apply.

Do you know when he died, there might be an obit in the newspapers.

I dont know when he died but I know for a fact he moved from Ireland to 9 Albert Ave, Gorton, Manchester M18 7JX and married his wife Dorris from this address, then in 1958 he moved from Manchester to Yorkshire... this is all the information I could get today but I wil hopefully get some more tomorrow.. i have sent messages to all the oldest relatives in the hope that they can remember some dates etc.

[Sinann]

A Catherine Teresa Graham was baptised on 29 October 1872 in Harrington Street RC parish, Dublin, her parents were recorded as Robert Joseph Graham and Elizabeth O'Toole of 47 Cuffe Street:
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1865-1890_ba_0170

Are you sure about this date of baptism ? Because the 1901 and 1911 census have her birth year being 1878 and she can't have been baptised before she was born 😄

You should be thinking the other way around.
You can't fib on your baptisim but you can on a census.

[seanIRL]

A Catherine Teresa Graham was baptised on 29 October 1872 in Harrington Street RC parish, Dublin, her parents were recorded as Robert Joseph Graham and Elizabeth O'Toole of 47 Cuffe Street:
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1865-1890_ba_0170

Are you sure about this date of baptism ? Because the 1901 and 1911 census have her birth year being 1878 and she can't have been baptised before she was born 😄

You should be thinking the other way around.
You can't fib on your baptisim but you can on a census.

Haha OK good point !

[gaffy]

Are you sure about this date of baptism ? Because the 1901 and 1911 census have her birth year being 1878 and she can't have been baptised before she was born 😄

It definitely says Anno Domini 18 72 at the top of the page (162), if you click on 'Previous' or 'Next' at the top of the screen to look at the surrounding records in the register, you will see that 1872 isn't a one-off slip of the pen. Most people back then did not observe birthdays and maintain an accurate awareness of age the way we do today, there was more often a tendency to 'lose' years when completing official documents.

[gaffy]

... BTW, Robert Graham and Elizabeth 'Toole' were married in St. Nicholas' RC parish, Dublin, in 1857, full details here:
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.nicholas_mf_1822-1880_ma_0109

The 1857 marriage record for Robert Graham and Elizabeth Toole identified the bride's parents as William Toole and Catherine Grace, Eliza Toole was baptised in St. Michan's RC parish, Dublin, on 23 August 1838 (ie. 59 year old Elizabeth Graham in the 1901 census):

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01plx/

'Eliza of William Toole and Catherine Grace' (left page near bottom):

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1850-1869_ba_0732

[gaffy]

The 1939 register for England and Wales shows a William Roe living with several others at 170 Great Western Street in Manchester, described as a single man, his occupation was recorded as 'Music Hall Artist', but the clincher is his stated date of birth - 26 August 1899, which is an exact match for your William Albert Roe (birth registration posted at reply #10 above).   

Interestingly, the next person shown in the register at that same address was a William Oglesby, a married man and a motor mechanic by way of occupation, with a date of birth stated as 27 November 1898, which is an exact match for the son born in Dublin to Patrick and Teresa Oglesby ...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02063/1788483.pdf

... who was this person in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Wood_Quay/Lower_Exchange_Street/1341467/

... and the same person who married Ethel Roe of 47 Cuffe Street in 1921:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09226/5338205.pdf

[gaffy]

There is one William Roe who served in WW1 whom I haven't been able to eliminate so far, so just to note him for now. I can't see a service or pension record for him, but there are three separate documents for him under the regimental number of 341980:-

(1) a medal card for William A Roe, showing him in the Labour Corps, enlisted 31 July 1916, discharged 14 September 1917, cause of discharge 'Wound', address = 56 Morse Street, Swindon. 

(2) a pension ledger index card for William Roe who was discharged on 4 September 1917, in the Labour Corps, birth year indicated as 1899, record type = disability, and his residence place given as 'Post Office Salford Manchester'.

(3) a Silver War Badge record for William Roe, enlisted 31 July 1916, discharged 14 September 1917, discharge regiment = 5th Royal Irish Rifles, discharge unit = Labour Corps, cause of discharge 'Wound', age at discharge = 19, served overseas.

Edited to add: There was an article in a Bath newspaper of May 1920 that has a resonance in this case, under the title of TWO DESTITUTE EX-SOLDIERS, it is about the soldiers wrongly receiving 3s 6d from the Bath Branch of the Discharged Soldiers' Federation, for which the Bench took a lenient view, bound them over to be of good behaviour and arranged to send them from Bath back home to London. One of the soldiers was described as 'William Roe (21) ... a music hall artiste ... 13 Tressillian Road, Lewisham, S.E ...'.   

It goes on to say 'Roe was discharged from the Army as unfit for further service as the result of a gunshot wound. His pension had been discontinued, but its renewal was under consideration. Apparently his Army record was good ...'.

Edited again to add:  Just found another two pension ledger index cards for William Roe, definitely the same person as mentioned at (1) - (3) above (regimental no. 341980... and other details match), one card shows residence as Bristol, the other shows residence as Dublin.

[seanIRL]

The 1939 register for England and Wales shows a William Roe living with several others at 170 Great Western Street in Manchester, described as a single man, his occupation was recorded as 'Music Hall Artist', but the clincher is his stated date of birth - 26 August 1899, which is an exact match for your William Albert Roe (birth registration posted at reply #10 above).   

Interestingly, the next person shown in the register at that same address was a William Oglesby, a married man and a motor mechanic by way of occupation, with a date of birth stated as 27 November 1898, which is an exact match for the son born in Dublin to Patrick and Teresa Oglesby ...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02063/1788483.pdf

... who was this person in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Wood_Quay/Lower_Exchange_Street/1341467/

... and the same person who married Ethel Roe of 47 Cuffe Street in 1921:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09226/5338205.pdf

No way !!! This is an amazing find ! .. William oglesby was my great grandfather who learnt how to be a mechanic in the irish free state army. He was in the mechanical transport corps and a number of his children including my granny were born in portobello barracks dublin.
After the army he worked as a mechanic.
Everything adds up here So there is no doubt in my mind that these men are my family.

[gaffy]

Confirmed, Pte William Roe reg. no. 341980 was indeed your William, I've seen the pages in the pensions ledger that correspond to the index cards mentioned above at reply #24 and the breakthrough is on the page where his residence was shown as Dublin (the page 's actions / correspondence run from August 1926 onwards), for the specific address recorded was 47 Cuffe Street.

Another page covers what looks like a claim he made in the run up to May 1920 (which would fit nicely with that Bath newspaper article) his address was recorded as c/o the YMCA Dug Out in Colston Street Bristol (you will get info and photos about this location if you google it), although at the bottom of the page there is a comment of 12 October 1920 indicating that William had moved to London and was living at 16 York Road, Covent Gardens. His disability was described as 'GSW Rt' (Gun Shot Wound Right) followed by a word that I think is 'Tarsus', the disability was attributable to his army service.   

A third page relates to earlier in 1920, his address was recorded as Cross Lane Post Office, Salford, Manchester, but then the page has been scored across with a comment of 27 September 1920 saying 'Transferred to South Wales.

So it's sounding as if William was leading a fairly peripatetic existence at that point - not helped by a break in his pension payments - a lifestyle that would be consistent with a jobbing music hall artist.  I'm not seeing newspaper references for him in that context, but that might simply be because he had a stage name, which I don't know.

In the circumstances I can't see him having been active in the War of Independence, but it is intriguing that he enlisted in the Army just 2 months after the Easter Rising.