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photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« on: Thursday 08 July 10 15:41 BST (UK) »
hi there

trying to find photo's / exact location of this pub in morpeth.

it was in bridge street old pheonix yard, approximately opposite the chantry.

it existed in 1891 when my ancestors lived there and was still there in about 1907 when it may have changed its name/use

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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 July 10 12:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Muir,
   I do know that there is a New Phoenix Yard: this is at the side of the Black Bull on Bridge Street. The Hope and Anchor used to be next to it.  There was a pub, 1851 census, no name though, in the area you suggest, opposite the Chantry. in 1851 Innkeeper was John Caisley. This area became Jennings Garage in the early 1900s even that's now gone.
I'll have a look next week.

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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 July 10 18:19 BST (UK) »


 The Inn/Pub was eastwards, next door to the Black Bull.

 Today it is shop of British Heart Foundation, 49 Bridge St (northern side of Bridge St)

Called New Phoenix Hotel in 1920.

Some time after 1939 became Electricity Board Showroom.

The "yard" heading northwards off the north end of Bridge St has street sign in the yard " Pheonix Yard   ( contains womens haridressers " Salon" and a barbers)


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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 July 10 00:03 BST (UK) »


 " Morpeth Berween the Wars" by FC Moffatt and GC MacDonald. A locally produced small book in Morpeth Library  contains a photo (or a printed photocopy of a photocopy) of PHEONIX HOTEL, dated 1920 and annotated (now Electricity Showroom)

 The photo shows a three storey nedium sized building with 4 windows on 1st and 2nd storeys and a large nameboard between these two storeys showing
"NEW PHOENIX HOTEL"  (note variation in spelling)

In the book a plan of north side of Bridge St 1914 shows these neighbouring establishments
Marshall Chemist, Black Bull Inn, Pheonix Hotel, Pringles, Shoes, Walton, Ladies Wear then Jennings Garage.

It seems that name of pub/yard changed name from "Old" to New" between 1881-1891
( 1871 5163-38-16  "Old Ph Yd- 1881 5114-38-13- Old Ph Yd)
 (1891 4255-37-20 New Ph Yd- 1901 4832-63-17 New Ph Yd)

Then into modern times the "New " was dropped

Kelly's Directory of 1894 has it Alexander Hogg, New Pheonix Hotel.

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It is sited where you thought opposite the Chantry and slightly left.


The staff in the British Heart Foundation (Postcode NE61 1PQ) seem to know all about the building previously been the Phoenix Hotel,

They also added that the cellar was once used as the town mortuary !

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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 July 10 09:49 BST (UK) »
That's excellent information

the next time i am in morpeth i will have to get the book, I did check the library and all the little books like the one you mentioned , but must have missed that one, the local studies librarian didn't have a clue. The people who do the historical pub walks of morpeth didn't know either. Every time i have been to morpeth I kept checking the back lanes for names, but the ones on that side of the street did not have any plaques.

In 1891 it was owned by a george kerr who was married to a dunn whose sister was married to my relative (muir) they had their nephew lving there with them(john muir)

I will have to quiz the heart foundation staff next time i am passing.

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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 July 10 10:00 BST (UK) »

 Muir,

 Perhaps you can view the building on Google Earth ?

Michael
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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 July 10 10:26 BST (UK) »
Have done

michael, it just nice to see what it would have looked like in the old days, Now I know exactly where it is some of the older photographs of the street will give a clearer idea, I am sure there are plenty of the black bull pub next door, so the phoenix may well be seen in one of its various incarnations.

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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 July 10 10:56 BST (UK) »

 Muir- good hunting for the old photos.

 From the old photographs on various sites ( including  communities.northumberland.gov.uk  ) it looks as though photographers thought Newgate St more photogenic than Bridge St !

And those photos of Bridge St that are online are long shots up or down the street.

On www.francisfrith.com/morpeth    the first photo is looking westwards up Bridge St.  The bay windows of Black Bull are easy to spot- and three ladies crossing the road look as if they are heading for ..... the showroom -to buy a cooker lol ( This shot is dated 1965 -too late for your requirement.


Although I am a Blyth lad, living in Newcastle, I have very fond memories of Morpeth - I attended King Edw VI school 1952-1959.


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Re: photo's old phenoix inn bridge street morpeth
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 July 10 06:56 BST (UK) »

 Snippet.

Kelly's Trade Directory of Northumberland, for 1921 has
 " New Phoenix Hotel, Bridge St,  John R Watson.  "

 Michael
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Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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