John Evans Chirk Bank

[Gadget]

Not hostile - just losing patience as I've spent a considerable time looking through all my sources for you.

I know the area well, having lived there for the first 18 years of my life and visiting regularly until my parents died. 

I can walk/see the the roads and areas that we are talking about.

The names that you have are not easy. The only known facts are that Athalia married from Preesegweene in 1839. Her father was given as John Evans, collier.

She was baptised in Chirk, with residence given as Penybryn - to John and Ann.

John and Ann might have married in Chirk in 1819

They had 3 other children baptised in Chirk, although their residence was always in Shropshire - Chirk Bridge or Preesegweene. Preesgween was the last residence on the baptism records in 1829.

They appear in 1841 in Preesgweene. John was always stated as a collier on the records and on this census.

After that, there doesn't seem to be a lead- have you checked freebmd for deaths in the Oswestry reg district? Although a John and Ann Evans will not be that easy 


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[Eldon]

Thank you for getting back to me.
What's frustrating for me is not having two census returns that could fit. The 1841 census in P'gweene has Sarah (she was baptised in Chirk) and also Jane aged 7 who is on the St Martin IGI --bap 1:12:1833 to John Evans and Anne.

Ann was 45 in 1841 which means she is between 45-50, so I searched 1851 census for Ann(e) and found two.

One of them is HO107 Piece 1993 F:760 p:12
Evans Ann Hd Widow F 59 Charwoman St Martins
Evans Alexander G'Son M 14 Ag lab St Martins+

[Eldon]

I haven't finished I don't know why it posted.

Alexander in not on free BMD.
IGI Shropshire: Selattyn Alexander bap 8:1:1837 Mother Sarah Evans and
father Alexander Hughes.
We know that Sarah is Ann's daughter bap in Chirk.

Checking again on John Evans there are two baptised in St Martins in 1790, but you would expect his age to rounded down to 45. Their parents are (1) Samuel Evans and Jane and (2) John Evans and Sarah.

I feel more positive about this now. Regards Eldon.

[Gadget]

Hi again

I can't find anything that seems to fit on the 1851.  The one that you found is a poss. I'll see if i can see an Ann(e) Phil(l)ips in the Chirk and St Martins baptism 1790-1801 later on this evening - have to go cook now.

(Also will check up on Alexander then)


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Added - just seen your bit about Alexander - interesting 

[Gadget]

 

Just remembered- Sarah was only 10 in 1837 so I don't think it's her. 

Keep searching and I'll get back to you later.


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[Eldon]

Just remembered- Sarah was only 10 in 1837 so I don't think it's her. 

Gadget

Not so positive after all. This could be another family.
This Alexander is the only one in the country born 1837
1841Census: HO107: Piece 916: F 4/26: p:4 in Weston Rhyn.
All the names look familiar though. Anne is head of family on her own it seems.

My brain is hurting again. Regards Eldon.

[Gadget]

The 1841 that you refer to is in Rhos(weil), Weston Rhyn.

We have an Anne, 40-44;  William, 15-19; Anne, 13 and a Jane 9

I think this is less likely that the family in Preesegweene. as they don't fit in with the baptisms.

Nothing coming up on the baptisms for the children with those ages.

Another test  - does it say that John was deceased on Athelia's marriage cert?

Not checked up on Ann and the others yet.



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[Eldon]

I agree. I think this another family. With the absence of other census returns to support the 1841 one, I think the answer to all this may rest in the death registers of Oswestry.

I am accepting the marriage in Chirk and the 1841 census in P'Gweene. I don't have a problem with Ann's IGI in St Martin in 1799. She could easily have been born on one side of the Ceiriog and registered on the other side. After all that is what she has done with her own children. John's IGI in 1790 is feasible.
I am with 'Findmypast' and I am rapidly using up a lot of credits and not making much progress. I expect that this is what you are experiencing. Unless something turns up I will put this to bed for a while and when I do get to Ruthin I will put the family through their computer. When I look at things afresh, new ideas usually turn up.
John was not deseased on Athalia's marriage cert.

Thank you once more for all your devoted hard work. I really do appreciate it.
Regards  Eldon.

[Gadget]

Hi again

I still favour Ann as being born in Chirk - she's not born county on the 1841. My records for baptisms around then are mislaid at the moment. I had them out with some from Llangollen and Ruabon and I think that they may have got misfiled.

I'll have another look for them tomorrow/today!

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