James Sainsbury

[Trapper]

Hello,

 Can anyone help, I have found the family I am looking for Sainsbury in 1881 census, Francis, Annie, the parents, Son George b.1878 James b. 1882 Ivy b.1885 and Roy b.1887.

James is the one I am interested in as I can find no record for him in the 1901 census, can anyone help please.

[suzard]

Was James really Frederick James B Sainsbury??

I expect you have found this
1901 Annie Sainsbury was a widow and had 2 children living with her Ethel Ivy (who is Ivy in 1891) and Farncis Basil Sainsbury.

I also suspect that Roy Sainsbury (in 1891) is really Edgar Arthur Roy Sainsbury

Seemms like this is a family who sometimes use their middle (or even 3rd ) name sometimes

Having said that I cant locate james in 1901 - There are a lot of young men absent from 1901 census as they were away fighting the Boer War

Was James in the armed forces???


Suz

[Trapper]

The info I have is very sketchy, I believe Roy died as a child so I wonder if the name was used again ?
Would James have been old enough for the Boar War he was born around 1882.

[suzard]

yes -james would have been 19/20 in 1901 s0 old enough

I'll check the names for you

Suz

[suzard]

It seems you are correct that Roy died while young - but his first name wasn't Roy

this is what I have pieced together

1881 census shows Francis and Annie with childrenGeorge 14 James 9, Ivy 6 and Roy 4

1901 Annie is a widower and has children Ethel Ivy and Francis Basil

Marriage reg freeBMD
Dec qtr 1876 Fordingbridge 2b 1288
Francis William Sainsbury
Annie Bailey
(there is a lodger with them in 1881 -George Bailey)
Here are birth reg's of who I think are Francis and Annie Sainsbury's chiildren

George -age 4 in 1881, 14 1891
Birth reg FreeBMD
George William Sainsbury Mar qtr 1877 2b Fordingbridge 676

James age 9 in 1891
Birth reg FreeBMD
Frederick James B Sainsbury Sept qtr 1881 Fordingbridge 2b 660

Ivy age 6 in 1891 -named Ethel Ivy in 1901
Birth reg FreeBMD
Ethel Ivy M Sainsbury Jun qtr 1884 Fordingbridge 2b 704

Roy -age 4 in 1891
Birth reg FreeBMD
Edgar Arthur  Roy Sainsbury Mar qtr 1887 Fordingbridge 2b 672
Death reg FreeBMD
Edgar Arthurr Roy Sainsbury age 4 Jun qtr 1891 Fordingbridge 2b 491

think this is a child of francis and Annie too
Birth reg FreeBMD
Bertram Stanley Sainsbury Jun qtr 1890 Fordingbridge 2b 653
Death reg FreeBMD
Bertram Stanley Sainsbury age 0 Mar qtr 1891 Fordingbridge  Fordingbridge 2b 531

Death reg of father
Francis William Sainsbury age 35 Jun qtr 1893 2b 444

another child -poor Annie must have been very pregnant when her husband died

Birth reg FreeBMD
Francis Bazil Sainsbury Dec qtr 1893 Fordingbridge 2b 669



this looks like Annie(mother)'s death reg
Annie Sainsbury age 54 Mar qtr 1912 Fordingbridge 2b 1986

Suz

[Trapper]

Thank you Suz, no wonder I had trouble finding them,  do you think James may turn up later, when did the Boer War end ?

[suzard]

James does turn up later -I have his marriage death -children and one of their marriages -will post later today

Suz

[Trapper]

That woud be great, thank you.

[suzard]

Boer war was 1899-1902
That's where most of my "missing" young men were in 1901 -but it is only a guess for (Frederick) James!!!!

Ethel Ivy M Sainsbury married Edgar Harry Tiller marriage reg Jun qtr 1907 Fodningbridge 2b 1426

James married Emily Ings
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1907
Frederick James Sainsbury
Emily Ings
Fordingbridge
2b 1592

James died 1928

Death reg freeBMD
Frederick James Sainsbury
age 46
Jun qtr 1928
Fordingbridge
2b 937

Emily died 1920
Death reg freeBMD
Emily Sainsbury
age 38
Jun qtr 1920
Fordingbridge
2b 804

possibly Emily died in childbirth -as there is this birth reg FreeBMD
John W Sainsbury
mother's maiden name Ings
Jun qtr 1920
Fordingbridge
2b1486

James and Emily also had a son Frederick James  birth reg Jun qtr 1910 Fordingbridge 2b 677

and a son Francis C Sainsbury
Birth reg
Francis C Saisbury
mother's maiden name Ings
Dec qtr 1911
Fordingbridge
2b 1249

and a daughter
Ivy Sainsbury Jun qtr 1908 Fordingbridge 2b 708

there is a marriage reg (possibly of James'son?)
Mar qtr 1922
Fordingbridge
Frederick J Sainsbury
Amy K Budd

2b 1081

I will PM you some information

Suz