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Beer retailer *COMPLETED* thanks
« on: Wednesday 28 July 10 12:30 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I have a rellie who is stated as a beer retailer in the 1881 census.
Can I ask please..
Would she have had to have a license?
Where from, and would there be records?
And is there any way of finding out if this was a public house and what it was called?
Thanks for looking  ;D
Parrish/Parish: Birmingham, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
Connections: Salt,  Gould,  Neath, Malpas(s), Cox, Jones, Pargeter,  Grainger, Greenaway, Bannister, Car(e)less, Broome, Dawes, Meese, Aga, Howard

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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 July 10 13:14 BST (UK) »
Under the 1869 Wine and Beerhouse Act (32 and 33 Vic. c.27) it was necessary for retailers selling beer and wine to obtain their licenses from justices, and in addition, it was also necessary to obtain similar licenses to sell alcohol off the premises. The Intoxicating Liquor (licensing) Act 1872 re-enforced this legislation and importantly obliged the clerks of the licensing divisions to keep a register of all licenses granted.

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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 July 10 13:17 BST (UK) »

And is there any way of finding out if this was a public house and what it was called?
Thanks for looking  ;D

Can you give the details of the name and location?

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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 July 10 13:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Stan,
would i be able to obtain a opy of a licence? where from?
1871 census Commonside Kingswinford RG11 piece 2892 folio 134 page 4
Ann Gould

Commonside kingswinford (stafford) Stourbridge Worcestershire
Parrish/Parish: Birmingham, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
Connections: Salt,  Gould,  Neath, Malpas(s), Cox, Jones, Pargeter,  Grainger, Greenaway, Bannister, Car(e)less, Broome, Dawes, Meese, Aga, Howard


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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 August 10 16:10 BST (UK) »
Licence applications would be held at the relevant county archives. 

Not sure if she would have been running a pub, as she would probably have classed herself as a licensed victualler, but you could try checking the address on the census and looking for a historic pubs website for the area.
Chowns in Buckinghamshire
Broad, Eplett & Pope in St Ervan/St Columb Major, Cornwall
Browning & Moore in Cambridge, St Andrew the Less
Emms, Mealing & Purvey in Cotswolds, Gloucestershire
Barnes, Dunt, Gray, Massingham in Norfolk
Higho in London
Matthews & Nash in Whichford, Warwickshire
Smoothy, Willsher in Coggeshall & Chelmsford, Essex

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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 August 10 16:32 BST (UK) »
Some houses were only licenced to sell beer and ales and the proprietor of one of these would usually be referred to as a beer seller rather than a licensed victualler even if it was consumed on the premises.  These houses were usually remnants of the beerhouses of the middle of the century and some survived until the middle of the 20th century.  Even more confusing is that they sometimes had no name and were simply referenced by their owner and address. 

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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 August 10 16:46 BST (UK) »
The corner shops in staffordshire were seeling beer by the jug in the 1960s.Many were run by a  widowed woman such as Ann. I see she was a cow keeper in 1871 so she could turn her hand to many things.
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Re: Beer retailer
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 August 10 17:47 BST (UK) »
thank you all for your information and suggestions, will give those a try
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Parrish/Parish: Birmingham, Staffordshire, Shropshire.
Connections: Salt,  Gould,  Neath, Malpas(s), Cox, Jones, Pargeter,  Grainger, Greenaway, Bannister, Car(e)less, Broome, Dawes, Meese, Aga, Howard