William Charles Hoaten

[messers]

Hi

I am really stumped with this man, have been hitting a brick wall with him for 4 years.

If anyone out there can help me I would be very grateful.  This is what I know:
William, born in Staines in 1876 or 1879, came to South Africa in 1899. Soon after he was attested in to the BSAP and did service in the Anglo-Boer war and in WW1 (a Lieutenant in German East Africa, now Namibia).

His 1st wife was came to SA in 1907. After she died he married Mabel Mary Crombie nee Cookson.
Major Hoaten was a major in the BSAP (British Police in Rhodesia).  By the time he retired, he was said to have been one of the highest ranking officers in the fledging defence forces.

There is a cutting from a Rhodesian newspaper about 1938 that describes the wedding of Mabel daughter with her 1st husband,  Mary Elizabeth Crombie to Stuart Clarkson.  In it, she is "given away by her step-father Major Hoaten."  also "There was no formal reception owing to the health of the brides mother, but some intimate friends motored out to Hillside to the resdent of Captain and Mrs Hough where the cake was cut.. ."

I am more interested in his information before he came to South Africa - his parents, siblings etc.
I have searched for any information on this William Charles Hoaten, but so far nothing has been found. It is almost as if this was a newly created person who did not exist before he came to SA - did he create a new identity or am I not looking in the 'right' places?

Please, if anyone can help me, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

Michelle

[jennifer c]

Was awarded two medals in WW1

Jennifer

[AMBLY]

Hi Michelle

From other web postings on your search,

Travel: London  to the Cape, SthA 1899
Wm HOATEN b abt 1874
This lists him as occupartion:  Saddler age 25

Travel: Southampton to the Cape, SthA 1907
E HOATEN b abt 1886
W HOATEN b abt 1878

Is E HOATEN his first wife?

Then I see:

Durban to UK - Ship Walmer Castle, arrived Southampton on 1 Sep 1906:
Embarked Capetown:
Mr W HOATEN 29, occ: R.S.M. (S.R.V), English born

Ship Kildonan Castle, Durban to Southampton - arrived 15 Jun 1925
William Charles HOATEN 45, Soldier, Rhodesian Bisley Team,
This entry has a line through it - I think because he was "Forces" rather than civilian - and he certainley traveled, because he was competing at Bisley in 1925:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CORNISH-GEN/2008-05/1210611957

http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/archive/index.php?t-5877.html
1. William HOTTIN - 1881 British Census / Middlesex
Son Gender: Male Birth: <1876> Islington, Middlesex, England

2. William HOOTON - 1881 British Census / Middlesex
Son Gender: Male Birth: <1880> Islington, Middlesex, England

I wonder - if he married in that space between Sep 1906 and Dec 1907 when he seems to  have been in the UK.

Did the 1899 Travel manifest list his marital status?
Have you looked at the actual 1907 travel manifest - if we have a date of travel,  it can narrrow down a timeframe for a possible marriage.

Cheers
AMBLY

[messers]

Hi Ambly

E Hoaten was his 1st wife. As with almost any other documentation of him, I have not been able to find a marriage certificate for them - so it is possible he went back in 1906 to get married.

I personally have not looked at any travel manifests, so do not know what his marital status is listed as.

Thanks

Michelle

[carol8353]

W and E Hoaten travelled on 12 Jan 1907 from Southampton to South Africa on the German.
He was 29 and a warrant officer.She was 21.

There is a WW1 Medal card in his name,says he served as a Lieutenant in the British South African Police.

Hope that helps

Carol

[AMBLY]

Hi

A possible marriage between Sep Qtr 1906 to Mar Qtr 1907 - small window, lots of names if one considers the many ways HOATEN might be alternatively spelled 

But one entry stands out for me on FreeBMD
Mar Qtr 1907, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
William HOOTON and Elizabeth EVANS

They are also on the Staffs BMD (which confirms they are a pair) - married Shelton St Mark Stoke on Trent.
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

Long shot 

Cheers
AMBLY

[Eyesee]

Following in his fathers footsteps

1881
7 Gardner Road, Hampstead
Richard HOOTON, head mar 32, Police Constable, born Pembroke, County Town
Sarah HOOTON, wife mar 30, born Herts, Tring
E G HOOTON, son 11, born Middlesex, London
William HOOTON, son 6, born ditto
Frederick HOOTON, son 4, born ditto
Ernest HOOTON, son 3, born ditto
+ 3 boarders
RG11/168/94/30 & 31

Ian C

[Valda]

Hi

William Hooten is with his parents in Hamptead in 1891. His birthplace is given as Marylebone and he is a telegraph messenger aged 15

Most likely birth registration

Births Sep 1875   Hooton  William Henry    Pancras  1b 7


If he was a serving officer at the time of his marriage circa 1907 then it may be in the army registers not in the domestic GRO indexes

Regards

Valda

[messers]

W and E Hoaten travelled on 12 Jan 1907 from Southampton to South Africa on the German.
He was 29 and a warrant officer.She was 21.

There is a WW1 Medal card in his name,says he served as a Lieutenant in the British South African Police.

Hope that helps

Carol

Thanks for this, each little piece of info helps solve the puzzle. I do know about the medals, thanks

Michelle