John Jordan born 1816 in Milford, Pembroke

[radnor1]

I did obtain the marriage certificate of John Jordan and Anne Elizabeth Ormond - details are:

Date of Marriage: 20th April 1848 in Carew Parish Church, Pembroke
John Jordan, of full age, Bachelor, Draper, St Mary's Pembroke, Father: Richard Jordan Gentleman
Anne Elizabeth Ormond, of full age, Spinster, Cardeath in Carew, Father: William Ormond Farmer

witnessed by: George William Ormond, Mary Anne Ormond and Elizabeth Ormond.

I believe John Jordan had a brother called Charles and a sister called Eliza.

I have heard the name Scurlock mentioned before in my family tree but have not been able to find a marriage certificate for Richard Jordan so do not know if he was actually married to Margaret Scurlock or if she was John's mother

Radnor1

[scurlockgirl]

Many thanks for your reply and for the details that do indeed say Richard JORDAN was the father of John.  Margaret SCURLOCK and Richard JORDAN never married and he was very much older than her. 

There is no mention of Richard JORDAN having a wife in his will, but Margaret is mentioned by her maiden name.  Do you know what happened to John JORDAN's siblings Eliza and Charles?  I haven't been able to trace them but they were alive in 1827 when Richard JORDAN made his will.  The will is online at the NLW and was proved in 1828.

Margaret SCURLOCK was the younger sister of my ancestor William SCURLOCK who died in 1815, leaving 3 young sons.  When William SCURLOCK married Elizabeth LEWIS by licence in Steynton in 1811, Richard JORDAN was the bondsman.  Margaret married a much younger husband (William JOHN) in 1834 in Rosemarket.  They only had one daughter Caroline.

Best wishes and hope this helps

[Hpembs]

Hi
I have found your posts about John Jordan. I think he is the father of Alfred Jordan, my great grandfather. Did you have any information about Alfred?
Many thanks

[osprey]

Welcome to Rootschat!

What sort of information are you looking for? The original poster has been on the site since last December.

Alfred Ormond Jordan was baptised 30 May 1861 in Nash, Pembrokeshire son of John, linen draper, and Ann Elizabeth of St Mary's Pembroke.
Marriage 12 March 1895 at St Peter's Pimlico by Special Licence
Alfred Ormond Jordan 33 widower Esquire 7 Bury St, St Georg's Hanover Sq father John Jordan Esquire
Edith Diana Frank 29 spinster Ashbourne Hall Derbyshire & Chelsea father Robert Hayster Frank Esquire
witnesses Harriet E Frank, F M Frank, K? John Frank, Ralph Cheach?

Alfred inherited Sutton Lodge, Lambston, Pembs from his father in 1893
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3065504/3065506/5/

1901 census 107 Lichfield Rd, Stafford RG13/2570 folio 30 pg 1
Alfred O Jordan head mar 39 solicitor living on own means b. Pembs, Lamphey Hall
Edith D wife 35 b. Derbysh, Ashbourne
Mary E G dau 10 b. S Kensington
Harry G O son 2 b. Derbysh, Buxton
Vida G O dau 1 b. Stafford
Florence M Frank sister in law 40 b. Lancs, Liverpool
+ 6 servants

Alfred's first wife, Mary Elizabeth, died aged 27 march qtr 1890 Kensington. Birth of daughter Mary Elizabeth was registered june qtr 1891 and she was baptised 12 May 1891 at St Jude's Kensington

[radnor1]

Hi Hpembs

Alfred Ormond Jordan's sister Frances Amelia Jordan was my great grandmother, her daughter Frances Gwendoline de Cantington Jordan was my grandmother.

I have been researching the Jordan family for some years and have been unable to confirm who John Jordan (Alfred's father) mother was.  John's father was Richard Jordan born 1773 in Llanstadwel, Pembrokeshire.  It has been suggested that John's mother was Margaret Scurlock, but I have been unable to find their marriage (perhaps they were not married!)

[osprey]

I would agree with the interpretation of the wording of the will that Richard Jordan & Margaret Scurlock were not married "the money to be divided among my children by her" and as she married the money did go to them.

Eliza was baptised in Rosemarket 26 March 1811, the base child of Margaret Scurlock born in the parish of Burton.
Possible marriage 25 March 1849 in Dale by licence
James Lloyd full age bach shopkeeper Dale father Stephen shopkeeper
Eliza Jordan full age spin father Richard Jordan
witnesses Eliza George & William Rees

1861 census Merlins Hill, Haverfordwest RG9/4163 folio 37 pg 5
Eliza Lloyd head mar 48 dressmaker b. Pembs
Charles son 12 b. Haverfordwest
Hatton son 10 b. Haverfordwest
John visitor 14 b. Pembs

family is at 4 Gloster Tce, Haverfordwest in 1851 HO107/2478 folio 193 pg 24 Eliza's pob noted as Neyland.

birth regs
Charles Jordan Lloyd jun qtr 1849 Haverfordwest mmn Jordan
Hutton Frederick Lloyd march qtr 1851 Haverfordwest mmn Jordan

working from 1851 census, likely 1841 in Haverfordwest
Gloucester Terrace HO107/1450/1 folio 47 pg 14
Eliza Jordan 25 milliner
Elizabeth Stephens 23 fs
Benjamin Morgan 50 independent
Jane Morgan 13
all born in county

[osprey]

from FreeReg

Charles baptised in Llanstadwell 26 Nov 1820 son of Richard Jordan & Margaret Scurlock but can't spot him after that.

 

[Hpembs]

Thank you for your information Osprey and Radnor1. My mother is researching her father's line from Alfred Jordan (her grandfather). She has photos of Alfred, Edith Jordan and the Franks. The group photo is thought to be 1895. She also has a photo of Mrs John Jordan which may be of interest to you.
I'm new to this but bizarrely having grown up in Sussex,  then moved to Wales in 1996, I now live in Llanstadwell and find that's where my family are originally from! I am going to try and find out where everyone lived.

[Hpembs]

Radnor1 we also find that we have a picture of Fanny Jordan as a bridesmaid at Alfred's wedding stating that she is Alfred's sister your great grandmother. I'll have copies made if you want them.
Do you know if John Jordan lived in Leamington Spar at some point? All the pictures are taken there
Thanks