Vital records New York

[maggbill]

Can anyone tell me what information I would get from a New York birth certificate. already have names of Mother father and where and when child was born ( from Family Search), but I am interested to know if it gives father and mothers ocupations and origins.  This will confirm familys migration to New York-hopefully. 
Any help appreciated.

[*Sandra*]

Hello Maggbill,

Shellyesq would be the New York expert. You can get uncertified copies for Genealogy Purposes and there is information for New York State on the link below.

Have you found your families on Census - it usually gives occupation of some description on there ?

http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/

[maggbill]

Hi Sandra
thanks for the quick response.  I have had a look at the website you mentioned - but struggling still to find what a late 19th century birth record from New York would tell me. 

Have struggled to find the family in 1900, 1910 census - couple of very vague doubtful possibilities for one or two members....  It is all quite vague.  Family surname is "Barrons", but can be "Barons, Baron, Barron, Burns, Barnes, Banon.... etc. We think father Thomas Barrons, birth year abt 1854 could have migrated from Scotland ?1880/81.  Wife Jane Barrons ( ms McNab) born abt 1860 Scotland, and son John (born Scotland 1880), also to USA, after 1881 (Scotland census)

We then find what could be a daughter Jane Barron born 30th Sept. 1891 Manhattan New York (Father Thomas Barrons, mother Jane McNab) on familysearch... But why are we finding it soooo hard to follow this up with census info etc?  If this child's birth entry gave us more detail on parents, we could maybe verify them being in New York - otherwise it could be we are "barking up the wrong tree" 


May have asked all this before - but really would be great to be able to follow through with it - ... important in the "bigger picture"... long story...
Thanks for "listening" LOL

[shellyesq]

It's possible that what you see on Family Search is all that's there.  I don't recall seeing a birth record from New York City from that time frame, but I wouldn't expect much detail.

If you're looking for a birth in Manhattan, they would be held in New York City, not New York state.  The information for obtaining vital records from NY City is here - http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml

The death index at italiangen.org has a Jane Barron who died at 9 months old on 11 Jul. 1892 in Manhattan, so perhaps she unfortunately died young.

[Lisa in California]

Would you have his occupation prior to their possible arrival, please?  We could have a look for them as well.

Did you post something about this family on RootChat - we could have a look on that thread, so we don't duplicate efforts.

[maggbill]

Hi Shelley and Lisa,

Thanks so much for your replies.  Shelley - good clarification as to "New York" versus New York City - will take that into consideration - and will also definitely have a look at the death entry for a Jane 9 months - would fit perfectly with the age and location of my Jane Barrons. 

Lisa - My Thomas Barrons was classed as an "Oilwork Clerk" and "Seed Crusher" in his Scottish records - interesting as soooo many of my ancestors were mill workers and steel foundry workers.  Thomas had a family of brothers in Glasgow who seem to be all wood workers of one sort or another. 

Re previous postings, - I must admit that lately, I have hit a few brick walls - and work at one aspect - then abandon it, go on to another... and feel that I am going "around and around" LOL.   Looking back - the postings I can find, related more to Jane Barrons (McNab) father Michael McNab.... and I have got great help re that aspect. 


It seems that we have done the easy bits of our family - now we are struggling a bit through  the hard stuff.... but bit by bit, with perseverance - mighttake a long time, but it  hopefully will all fit together.

[Lisa in California]

I'm not sure what a"smith" is, but there is this entry in the 1889-90 New York City Directory:
Thomas Barron, smith, h 559 First Avenue
No Barrons mentioned in the directory

[maggbill]

Hi again Lisa,

Interesting - this could be my Thomas - the surname varies a fair bit  - and if he is a "Smith" - could this be to do with Steelwork - like many of my other ancestors?  I struggled with Thomas Scottish records which stated "Oilwork clerk" and "Seed crusher".... quite unusual for my usual finds.  Maybe he could have worked with steel? or metal (?tinsmith?) - were there large steel foundries in New York in late 19th century? 

Was most interested yesterday to find a "Thomas Barrons" (don't think it is mine) - who worked as a nightwatchman in the "City Hospital" on what is now "Roosevelt Island" in New York... found a website which really opened my eyes to the history of this amazing city!!  www.nyc1004.com  - great reading! 
Cheers - and again thanks for your input.

[Lisa in California]

I know very little about New York State, I'm sorry.

There are quite a few Thomas Barron's in New York in 1900.  I was going to see if we could find one living at 559 First Avenue, but it is late here so I really should stop now.

Like you, when I hit a brick wall, I stop for a bit and go to another brick wall, only to come back and start looking again.

I look forward to checking this thread tomorrow night to see if there has been any progress.  Night for now.

PS  While it is helpful to know what he may have done for a living in Scotland, he may have worked in any industry when he reached America, just to earn a living.