Help/look-up John Murray

[Betty.W]

Please can someone help me to help Sheila in Australia who has contacted me. On my tree I have a William Murray B.29.9.1850 in St.Brides a coach painter. He was married to Ellen Condon B c1852, in Clerkenwell on 25.12.1900. Williams parents were John William Murray B1822 (coach painter) and Elizabeth Cooper B1821.
William Had a son John William Murray born 1874 who married Alice Riley b1879.
Sheila believes that my family are hers BUT she has John (1874) as John Atherstone Murray !! It seems that this John was a bit of a liar as he apparently gives his occupation on various censuses as :- Electrical engineer, Doctor, Waiter. Also, his birth place varies from England to Sydney Australia.
Sheila has also found him listed on a ship going to Australia, after he had abandoned his wife/partner Phyllis Salome Parkes and several children.Any help as regards this John's parentage etc would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Betty W

[Valda]

Hi

St Agnes Southwark 22nd December 1900 Private baptism born 16th December
Sidney John De Muray parents John Joseph De Muray and Phyllis Salome De Muray, 21 Agnes Place, father's occupation telephone inspector

1901 census RG13 382 folio 59
21 Agnes Place Newington Southwark
John A D Murray 29 Head Married Electrical Engineer Sydney Australia
Phyllis Murray 24 Wife Married London Essex


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

St Mary, Newington  26th October 1904 born 27th August
Arthur Reginald De Muray parents John Atherston De Muray and Phyllis De Muray, 14 Crampton Street, father's occupation waiter.


Births Mar 1900   
De Muray  Dorothy    St. Saviour  1d 165   
Deaths Mar 1900
De Muray  Dorothy  0  St. Saviour  1d 105 
 
Births Mar 1901   
De Muray  Sydney John     St Saviour  1d 157   
Deaths Mar 1901 
DE MURAY  Sydney J  0  St Saviour  1d 81   

Births Jun 1902   
DE MURAY  Cecil Henry     Southwark  1d 168   

Births Dec 1904   
DE MURAY  Arthur Reginald     Southwark  1d 112   

Births Sep 1906   
De Muray  Dorothy Phyllis     Wandsworth  1d 705   

Births Mar 1910   
DE MURAY  Sydney Leonard     E. Preston  2b 304


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

25th December 1900 St Philip, Clerkenwell
John William Murray 27 Bachelor Warehouseman 6 Baker Street William Murray Coach painter
Alice Maud Riley 21 Spinster 6 Baker Street Edwin Riley Book binder
Both signed
Witnesses Edwin Riley and Ethel Pauline Riley
 
1901 census RG13 252 folio 163
64 Great Percy Street Clerkenwell
John Murray 27 Head Married Warehouseman St Giles London
Alice Murray 22 Wife Married Clerkenwell London

28th May 1902 St Philip, Clerkenwell
Alice Lydin Ellen Murray parents  John William Murray and Alice Maude Murray, 10 Nelson Square Blackfriars, father's occupation warehouseman

1891 census RG12 391 folio 173
22 Upper Marsh Lambeth
William Murray 41 Head Married Coach painter City of London
Ellen Murray 39 Wife Married Not known
John Murray 17 Son Warehouseman Duke Street City of London
Alfred Murray 15 Son City of London
Ellen Murray 13 Daughter Lambeth
William Murray 17 Son Lambeth
James Murray 17 Son Lambeth
Ernest Murray 4 Son Lambeth


Regards

Valda
 

[Valda]

Hi

Phyllis marrying

Marriages Mar 1915 
Mitchell  Thomas R  Parkes  Westhampnett  2b 661   
Parkes  Phyllis S  Mitchell  Westhampnett  2b 661


Births Sep 1876 
Parkes  Philis Salome     W.Ham  4a 111


1891 census RG12 1351 folio 82
41 Frampington Road Wanstead Essex
George F Parkes 44 Head Married Piano fork case maker Shoreditch London
Eliza Parker 43 Wife Married Gibraltar British Subject
William J Parkes 17 Son Piano forte finisher Shoreditch London
Phyllis S Parkes 14 Daughter Leyton Essex
Henry E Parkes 12 Son Leyton Essex
Herbert A Parkes 9 Son Wanstead Essex
Ernest F Parkes 2 Son Wanstead Essex

A Phyllis S Mitchell's death was registered in Chichester in 1953 aged 76


Regards

Valda

[jennifer c]

Hi Valda 1891 census should be Trumpington Road. I know it well.

Jennifer

[Valda]

Hi

Thanks I obviously missed off my usual ? when in doubt. It was quite a bit to type in and find, so I look to have been tiring by the time I got to 1891.

Regards

Valda

[rmurray165]

Every so often I try and trace my grandfather who was a mystery. My father who was born on May 3rd 1924 never knew him. I recently found the census details for the address where my grandmother lived in 1921. 140 Warwick Street London SW1. My great grandfather Thomas Adams rented out rooms in this house and I was hoping that my grandfather, John William Murray (as named on my father's birth certificate), may have been lodging there. No such name appears on the census entry, but I saw your query from back in 2010 about a John William Murray. On my fathers birth certificate father is shown as John William Murray, electrical engineer. My grandmother was always secretive about the identity of my grandfather and I thought there is a possibility he could have been the maverick John William Murray referred to in your 2010 post. Please contact me if you can help?

[Betty.W]

Hi, sorry but I don't think we have the same family. My Murrays all mainly came from the Holborn area or Clerkenwell area of London. Also  my John William wasn't an electrical engineer.