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ww2 Burma/India
« on: Wednesday 25 August 10 20:59 BST (UK) »
Hi
   wonder if someone could point me in the right direction. I have my dads army records but I would like to find out were he was serving while he was in Burma/ India all it says is in Field. He served 1940-1942 5th Kings,1942-1944 7th South Lancs Regt and 1944-1946 2 nd the border regt,hope someone out there can help.

             Thanks Challo.
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Re: ww2 Burma/India
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 August 10 11:03 BST (UK) »
You really have to rely on Kew for the answers but early 1944 looks a little sparse.

7th S/Lancs War Diaries.  WO 172/874 Cover Sept.-Nov 1942,
WO 172/2529 1942 Dec to 1943 Nov
WO 172/4898 Give Dec 1943 & Jul to Sept + Nov 1944.

        2nd Border Rgt
WO 172/4867  Jan - Dec 1944 ---- WO 172/7620  Jan - Dec 1945
WO 172/10170  Jan to Aug. 1946
Prisoners of War. North Africa,Italy and Germany

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Re: ww2 Burma/India
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 August 10 18:08 BST (UK) »
many thanks ADM199
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Re: ww2 Burma/India
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 August 10 21:42 BST (UK) »
Challo, please find the attached from the Regimental History of the South lancs Regt, which covers the period of time that your father served with the regiment. (Part 1)

THE SEVENTH BATTALION
Formed at Warrington on the 4th July 1940, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel J. H. Whalley-Kelly. With major L.W. Potter as second-in-command and Captain H. F. M. Maidment as adjutant, the 7th Battalion became a unit of the 204th Infantry Brigade, charged with protection of vulnerable Points and general Home Defence Duties.

After taking in its new personnel, shaking down and doing some training, the battalion took over the Skegness sector of the East Coast Defences from the 8th Battalion of the regiment early in January, 1941, were it was responsible for an area of coastline approximately eleven miles in length, nearly all of which contained beaches suitable for assault landings, while the ground inland, for a depth of about five miles, was suitable for parachute landings.  This single fact gives some indication of the great danger which faced this small island immediately after Dunkirk and the appalling weakness of our resources on the ground.  However as we know, invasion never came, and the 7th Battalion, with others, was able to more and more systematic training as the danger receded, and in June 1942, it was at Tow Low in County Durham, by now a thoroughly trained and integrated machine.  It was while the battalion was at Tow Low that the welcome intelligence was received that it was to mobilise on tropical scales of clothing, and was to be prepared to move early in July.  At the same time Lieutenant-Colonel H. A. Bateson was posted from the 9th Battalion to take command vice Lieutenant-Colonel Whalley Kelly, major R. A. A. Downs became second-in-Command, and Captain R. J. J. Moore became adjutant.

Preparations for the impending move went ahead, all ranks had their embarkation leave, and the battalion moved by route march to a new area at Aycliffe, near Darlington, where it was accommodated in the Aycliffe School in comfortable and modern quarters, which were a change from the bleak lack of amenities at Tow Law.  Shortly before the battalion left Aycliffe it was visited by the band of the 1st Battalion, which stayed for nearly a week and played a series of concerts, all ranks dances, cocktail parties etc., which will be long remembered by those who took part in this essentially regimental reunion.  Orders for the move overseas came at the end of August and on the 23rd of that month the battalion embarked at Liverpool in the transport ‘Dominion Monarch.’ And left the Clyde in convoy on the 31st August.

The destination of the ship was not as yet known to the troops but it soon became apparent that it was not the Mediterranean, as the convoy headed south and down the African Coast.  Freetown was reached on the 9th September, and on the 25th the ship entered Capetown Harbour, where the troops were allowed to go ashore and where they experienced the wonderful South African hospitality which became a legend of the Second World War for all troops who went ashore at Capetown or Durban.  After leaving Capetown it was given out that the destination was Bombay.  This information was received with mixed feelings, and enthusiasm was not increased when it became known that the battalion was earmarked for internal security duties at Jubbulpore.  After two days in Bombay, where the battalion disembarked on the 18th October, it went by train to Jubbulpore, with one company detached at Nagpur.  History was repeating itself, as it has such a curious way of doing so with regiments of the British Army, for Jubbulpore, as it will be remembered, had seen much of the regiment in the past.



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Re: ww2 Burma/India
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 August 10 21:42 BST (UK) »
PART 2

This assignment was a bitter disappointment to all ranks of the 7th Battalion, who rightly considered that their efficiency and state of training entitled them to an active part in the war, especially at this critical juncture when the Japanese had overrun Burma and the prospect of invasion of India was in all minds.  However, it was accepted with a sense of duty expected of all in wartime, and the battalion settled down to its task and to such training as those tasks permitted, in the hope that the future might bring better fortune.

This hope was enhanced in April 1943, when the battalion received an excellent report for its work on an exercise with the 7th Indian Division, but it was finally  extinguished when the Commanding Officer received a letter form the Commander-in-Chief in India Telling him that the battalion had been chosen to form part of an improved British training Brigade whose task would be to train reinforcements for AFLSEA (Allied Land Forces South-East Asia).  This was indeed a bitter pill to swallow, for it meant that the greater part of existing personnel of the battalion, who had been together for so long, would be sent to other units, but it was at least better than staying in Jubbulpore on Internal security duties.  During its stay in that station the 7th Battalion had won itself a high reputation for its good behaviour, keenness and proficiency at games and it left Jubbulpore at the end of November a943 with mutual regrets.  Its new station was Bundi, in Bhopal State, where it became a training Battalion in the 52nd Infantry Brigade.  From Bundi the battalion went to a new camp at Nazarganj at the end of May 1944, and stayed at that station for nearly a year, moving to Lohardagha, in Behar, at the end of April 1945.  In January 1946, it was announced that the 7th Battalion was to be disbanded, and it ceased to exist as from the 8th February 1946.

Ten days after the battalion’s arrival at Bundi, Lieutenant-Colonel Bateson was promoted, and his place was taken by Lieutenant-Colonel R. A. B. Cooper of the East Yorkshire Regiment, and in March 1944 the command was taken over by Lieutenant-Colonel S. W. Brain, T.D., who in turn handed over in September 1945 to Lieutenant-Colonel T. A. W. Bolland of the Royal Irish Fusiliers.

Personnel of the battalion, both officers and other ranks, were perforce constantly changing and many went to the 2nd Battalion fighting the Japanese on the Kohima-Imphal front and to other regiments.  The work was gruelling, especially in the hot weathers and, unspectacular though it was, the permanent staff who remained with the battalion had the satisfaction of knowing that they were playing an indispensable part in the pattern of victory and that the battles worn in Burma were in no small part due to their devoted work in training so many of the men who went out to the fighting battalions.

Phil

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Re: ww2 Burma/India
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 August 10 00:07 BST (UK) »
I'm sure that the 2nd Bn Border Regiment fought in Burma, Imphal if my memory serves me correctly?

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 August 10 06:53 BST (UK) »
I'm sure that the 2nd Bn Border Regiment fought in Burma, Imphal if my memory serves me correctly?

Pete

Pete, you are correct the 2nd Borders did serve in Burma until 1946.

Challo, the 5th Kings where based in the UK between 40 and 42.

Yor father would have seen most of his action with the 2nd Borders, so the following book is worth getting

 In mid-late 1942 2nd Battalion Border Regiment was in training for jungle warfare in Horana, Ceylon. In January 1943, the Battalion was posted to Kandy and in June that year became part of the 100th Brigade within the 20th Indian Division. In October 1943 the Division moved to a camp in Burma near to Imphal where there was fierce fighting with the Japanese who had laid a heavy siege upon Imphal. The successful counter-attack to relieve this siege began in early June 1944.
The definitive reference work on the history of the Border Regiment is ‘Tried and Valiant' by Douglas Sutherland (1972)
 
 

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Re: ww2 Burma/India
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 August 10 18:21 BST (UK) »
englandphil & pete all I can say is many thanks I will be visiting the library firstly for the book and failing that it will be amazon
       

                                again thanks ADM199/Englandpete/pete

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 August 10 16:20 BST (UK) »
can I double check - for the 5th Kings...we are talking about the 5th Kings (Liverpool) Regt, as opposed the 5th Kings Own scottish Borderers?

Pete