"Elsie Millicent BURGESS" Completed, thank you.

[Gadget]

Looks quite possible, Tati.

Maybe the Fred who went to USA  married Elsie < unknown surname> out there.

Fred - what is Fred's father's name and occupation on the marriage cert?

Does it tie in with your other info?


Gadget

[F.H.]

No, it doesn't tie in, but I do have reason to believe why, due to a possible bit of friction in the family.

On the marriage cert it states, Fred's fathers name as "Michael".
My Fred's father was another Frederick.

Oh, I do hope we haven't been barking up the wrong tree...

[Tati]

There's a Fred Hines age 9 born an living in Tipton in 1901 with a father Michael...
Michael is an Engine Fitter

[F.H.]

Oh dear..........

[Gadget]

Just been looking, Tati -

It looks as if Fred, son of Michael,  married  Elsie Millicent Burgess but Fred, son of Fred married another Elsie - or even someone else that we don't know about at all  

Do we have proof that the Fred in the USA is Fred, son of Fred?


Gadget

[F.H.]

I have just been sent by a friend, the departure of my Fred, (son of my Fred from Canning Town) from Southampton on the SS Aquitainia August 1920 and it states he is single.

Looks like I am wrong... I am sorry. It seems that I got the wrong marriage cert.

Oh, I am sorry and would like to thank you both for ALL the work you have done.

Fred.

PS.
My Fred in America IS married to a ELSIE in 1930 in Illinoi...

[Tati]

No problem Fred! 

[Gadget]

Are you sure that that is Fred, Fred?

If so we'll have to try to find a marriage for them in America  - or info on one of the three daughters  that might give us her surname.


Gadget

[F.H.]

Hi Gadget.

I'm sorry.

Yes, my Fred is the right Fred in America. On the departure document it states his home address in the uk as 2 Tyas Road, Canning town. This is where many of my family lived.

Fred

PS. There are so many Fred's, in my family. LOL