Author Topic: Wedding cake dilemma  (Read 3151 times)

Offline Sandra Parker

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 272
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Wedding cake dilemma
« on: Saturday 28 August 10 04:24 BST (UK) »
I am looking for expert advice on these wedding cake pictures. Are they the same or is it possible that the same person made them about 5 years apart?
Why do I need to know? Well one is of my father's wedding cake, married 1941. The other is in a photo with only his Aunt and the cake, (she had married later in her life in 1936). She may have been the creator of the 1941 cake, in which case she knew about the wedding, or it may have been her own wedding cake from 1936.
I always knew about the first cake, but was very surprised to find the second photo, received only recently from a niece, seemed to match up.
How likely would it have been for 2 wedding cakes to have been same in the same style,especially as one was made in the war with ingredients sent over from Australia for the purpose.
Sorry about the standard of the photos.
Would appreciate any thoughts.
Sandra
London: Bradford, Van der Velden, Peill, Harris
Norfolk: Chilvers, Sparkes
IOW: Barton, Please, Shiner
Cheshire: Parker. Bradley, Hooley
Staffordshire: Buckley, Hargreaves

Offline mare

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,712
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 August 10 05:38 BST (UK) »
...  :-\ inclined to think it is the same cake as well, certainly the proportions and style pretty much identical though  taken from another angle and showing variation in silver decorations ... could it perhaps be a mock wedding cake, like a prop during rationing?  Of course it could well be two cakes replicated by choice and also the same maker may have even made more of the same, using same size tins and board and style.
Rather unhelpful and not exactly expert thoughts from  me ....  :) mare

Offline Sandra Parker

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 272
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 August 10 05:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks Mare.
The Aunt in Australia definitely sent dried fruit and other stuff for the wedding cake and there are ration details for the other cake items, so I think we can conclude that 1941 cake was real. No need for 1936 one to have been pretend as the Aunt who married then, and her groom were quite comfortably well off.
I appreciate your thoughts, it does help. My own thought was that  the cake was probably the same one and the 2 photos from different people at the same time, and that possible the Aunt in the picture was the creator of the 1941 cake, rather than it was hers in 1936.
Unless anyone else has any other ideas.
Sandra
London: Bradford, Van der Velden, Peill, Harris
Norfolk: Chilvers, Sparkes
IOW: Barton, Please, Shiner
Cheshire: Parker. Bradley, Hooley
Staffordshire: Buckley, Hargreaves

Online bearkat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,598
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 August 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
The cakes look similar.  Could be the same cake or different cakes made by the same person using the same accessories.

Prop wedding cakes often contained a smaller real cake inside.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
 All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Online Jebber

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,388
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 August 10 11:10 BST (UK) »
Taking into account the icing, the decorations, the cake stand, the tables  and position of the cake on the tables, I would say it is the same cake taken from slightly different angles.

Jebber
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

Offline Cell

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,718
  • Two words that can change the world "Thank You"
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 August 10 13:49 BST (UK) »
Hi,

It's the same cake
I did not look at the cake at all at first glance, my eyes went to what the cake is standing on  , I'm facinatined with creases, backgounds. I must  be  totally odd ;D

The photographs are taken from the the same position with  a similar shadow behind and  the exact crease [/u] in the tablecloth  .  I think  it is is definetley the same cake  .

I'm not comparing cakes I'm comparing the shadows and creases  on the cloth.

hope that helps Kind regards
Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.u

Offline Fennawright

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 101
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 August 10 14:27 BST (UK) »
Hi

I think they are different cakes.

One has some decoration between the supporting pillars
and the other doesn't.

Also the decorations on the bottom cake are placed in a different way.
One cake has a them in a line around the cake and the other has them
in a group.

We save our cake decorations and use them again, so I think
it could be the same decorations used on those two cakes.
Or that could be what was in fashion/available at the time.

Fennawright


Offline Rena

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,804
  • Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 August 10 14:49 BST (UK) »
I'm inclined to think they're two different cakes too.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

Offline Sandra Parker

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 272
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Wedding cake dilemma
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 28 August 10 22:31 BST (UK) »
oh dear!
Thank you all for your comments. In view of Cell's comments on the surrounds, I have attached the complete second photo. My original photo, 1941, was just of the cake. This Aunt could be the cake maker.
I knew others would be able to make more sense of it than I could.
Sandral
London: Bradford, Van der Velden, Peill, Harris
Norfolk: Chilvers, Sparkes
IOW: Barton, Please, Shiner
Cheshire: Parker. Bradley, Hooley
Staffordshire: Buckley, Hargreaves