Maria Frances Langley b. Woolwich

[trish1120]

Direct copy from Familysearch (cut and pasted)
Richard Marchant
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:   4 January 1813   Saint Bride Fleet St , London, London, England   
spouse:   Mary Harrison

So 1813******
Same as Anc has.
So not your Marriage.

You have been given all this info already;

MARRIAGE;
From the Sussex Marriage Index :
Richard MARCHANT and Mary ASHENDEN 6 Jul 1819 Peasmarsh

CHRISTENING;
From the Transcripts of Sussex Family History Group :
MARY MARIAMaria Marchant 18 May 1823 Peasmarsh , Richard Marchant, gardener, and Mary.

CHRISTENING;
Mary ASHENDEN Christened 11 Oct 1801 Northiam St Mary , John Ashenden & Mary

AS I said, there is a line between Households on 1841 Census so John Longhurst is not in the same House.

I see no connection with him. He is born Surrey and Mary Marchant in Sussex.

[wibsey1]

Sorry Trish, can't accept that - 1841 census says Mary, wife of Richard Marchant was 35 at that time, so born in 1806, if you are correct, that Richard's marriage took place in 1819, then she would be aged only 13 at the time of her marriage, requiring consent of her parents, I can't see that being the case. particularly as what you have supplied does not show that this was the case.

This is also why I was reluctant to go with the marriage to Mary Harrison in 1813 as this would have made her only 7.

If you check the 1841 census on FindMyPast you will see that John Longhurst IS at the same address, and shown as born in Kent - I think we must agree to differ on this.

[amondg]

Please remember that ages were rounded on the 1841 census and are not factual, the date of birth
1806 from 1841 cannot be used as conclusive.

What can be found as conclusive is the will of John Ashenden proven 11 October 1852 he was of Northiam, yeoman. ref PCC wills on ancestry.

Although in 1841 he is listed as an ag. lab, in 1851 he is a retired farm bailiff with enough property and funds to have his will proven in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.

He names his wife Elizabeth (first wife Mary being deceased), daughter Elizabeth Roots wife of Charles Roots, daughter MARY MARCHANT wife of Richard Marchant, son Thomas? writing is hard to read, and son James.
In a codicil he states his daughter MARY MARCHANT wife of RICHARD MARCHANT , VICTUALLER OF CHARLTON etc. etc.

 

[trish1120]

Thank you amondg .

1851 Mary Marchant is down as born c 1803 Northam, Sussex, only a couple of years out from Baptism found.

Marriage;
Charles Rootes
England Marriages, 1538–1973
18 February 1822, Biddenden, Kent, England   
spouse: Elizabeth Ashenden

I rest my case.

[wibsey1]

amondg I am well aware of that in general the age shown on the census is the earliest of the five year range, however I was interested in the information you supplied concerning the will of John Ashenden proven 11 October 1852, I have not seen this document previously and no one has raised it as proof of their position, this may well be the PROOF that the Mary wife of Richard Marchant was Mary Ashenden, but I would like to read the document itself before I commit myself to accepting it.

Clive

[trish1120]

Hi Clive,
Your local Library may have access to Anc to read the Will.

John ASHENDEN Married Mary SINNOCK, 3 March 1799   Northiam, Sussex
(F/S.Org)

John was Christened 11 September 1774, Northiam to JAMES/MARY Ashenden
(F/S.Org)

Good luck with it all.

[amondg]

It's on ancestry.

[wibsey1]

Ordered it from TNA but they sent me the wrong one, awaiting a reply from them.
As far as I know, NZ libraries don't supply access to Ancestry.

[trish1120]

Sorry I forgot you were likely in NZ (where I was born and grew up)