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Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« on: Monday 30 August 10 12:44 BST (UK) »
Can anyone tell me anything about the Church of Ireland church (Holy Trinity) in Glengarriff?  In particular I'd like to find where my great grandparents, Margaret Emma Cooper (died 19 May 1911 in childbirth aged 43) and George Nolan Cooper (died 24 January 1919 aged 58) were buried.  George Nolan Cooper was the police sergeant in Glengarriff for many years until his death.  Any information about the church, including registers and monumental inscriptions, would be much appreciated.  I've found various pictures of churches in Glengarriff on the internet, but think these are probably of the RC and former Methodist churches.  Many thanks.

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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 August 10 18:09 BST (UK) »
Are you talking about Glengar(r)iff(e) out on Beara peninsula or up in the north end of County Cork? 





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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 August 10 18:12 BST (UK) »
Glengarriff on the Beara peninsula.  I have seen pictures of the same church described as both C of I and Methodist.


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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 August 10 18:27 BST (UK) »
I am not an expert on C of I, so given my current state of ignorance I would email Ireland C of I on this one.  I'm sure they'll be very helpful.

It looks there is a Glengariff Parish out there but I've seen it described as RC:
http://www.mylocalnews.ie/articles/147/4/glengarriff-parish-733/bonane-glengarriff-parish-newsletter-11506/

http://www.mylocalnews.ie/cork-6/beara-peninsula-147/church-4/roman-catholic-20/glengarriff-parish-733/

After looking at this:
http://web.mac.com/ijlmoore/MOORE_WebPages_1/HTMLFiles/HTMLFiles_02/Avisia_SKUCE_P6554.html

tried both Glengar% and Derrynafulla in the Anglican search engine, no luck. 

http://ireland.anglican.org

From this link:
http://web.mac.com/ijlmoore/MOORE_WebPages_1/HTMLFiles/HTMLFiles_10/John_KINGSTON_P5128.html

it looks like there is a Holy Trinity in Schull, that is the nearest Holy Trinity C of I that I can find anywhere near Glengarriff.

I would email the Anglican website and ask what gives, as the SKUCE link suggests there is or was a C of I Trinity Church in a parish that is or was called Glengarriffe.

If nobody comes forward with more expert info, would love to see what you report back!
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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 August 10 19:06 BST (UK) »
Very many thanks indeed for your help.  The C of I parish was known as Kilcaskan and the parish church (now deconsecrated) appears to have been in Glengarriff:

http://www.bhs.ie/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=19&pos=21

I've e-mailed the C of I to ask about the history of this church.  Glengarriff now appears to be covered by the C of I Kilmocomogue union of parishes.  As you say, there is also a RC parish of Glengarriff.

There was indeed a Skuce link, two of my great aunts (Maria Catherine and Margaret Elizabeth) marrying two Skuce brothers.

http://web.mac.com/ijlmoore/MOORE_WebPages_1/HTMLFiles/HTMLFiles_18/Thomas_James_SKUCE_P5568.html

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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 August 10 22:14 BST (UK) »
I have found some details in Brady's Clerical and Parochial Records (1864), available at:

http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/history/bradysclericalandparochialrecords/indextoparishes--dioceseofcork/

GLENGARIFFE - Glengariffe is a district curacy, formed by deed, dated 31 July, 1861, between the Incumbents of Kilcaskin, in Ross, and Kilmocomoge, in Cork diocese, who pay to the Curate £35 per
an., as an endowment for the new church. The Vicar of Kilcaskin, who pays £20 per an. of above suin, has the first, and the V. Kilmocomoge the second turn of the alternate patronage.
The Earl of Bantry granted, on 13 April, 1861, 1R. 20r. statute measure of land for a new church at Glengariffe.

1860. Divine service is at present celebrated at half-past twelve o'clock, on Sundays, at the hotel, at Glengariffe. Sacrament six times in the year; average of communicants, 5. The Curate is Rev. Vincent Lamb, A.B., who was, on 23 January, 1855, licensed to this curacy at £75 per an. on the nomination of the V. Kilmocomoge and the V. Kilcaskin jointly.

A new church, on the site granted in 1861, by Lord Bantry, is now (March, 1863), nearly finished. The designs for it were furnished by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and were slightly
modified by the Archdeacon of Cork (S. M. KYLE), who originated the idea of placing a church in this romantic locality, and who collected the greater portion of the funds.

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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 August 10 22:37 BST (UK) »
I thought I'd take a crack at my copy of Francis Guy's directory for the County of Cork, 1875. 

Unfortunately they lump all clergy together under one heading, but maybe the first one could be C of I:

Carey Rev William J, incumbent Glengariff
Molyneux Rev John, PP

Don't see anything about churches in the info available online for 1914:

http://www.failteromhat.com/guy/glengarriff.php

The much earlier Lewis Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) says the state church parish is "co-extensive" with the RC parish in Kilmacomoge, but does not give further details.

From this map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=100277759958213436093.00046472772c51c00bcf8&ll=51.99841,-9.052734&spn=1.241228,2.136841&z=9

I get the impression that C of I populations have declined somewhat from prior eras, and that perhaps was formerly in Glengarriff has been consolidated into St. Peters.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=100277759958213436093.00046472772c51c00bcf8&ll=51.99841,-9.052734&spn=1.241228,2.136841&z=9


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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 August 10 23:25 BST (UK) »
Very many thanks again.  From what I can tell the original C of I Kilcaskan parish church was near Adrigole and the old cemetery still exists.  A new C of I church was built in Glengarriff in 1863.  As you say, neither of these is now in use although I'm not sure when the amalgamations were made.  I'm sure someone will know.  The RC parishes remain active.

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Re: Glengarriff: Church of Ireland church - Cooper family
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 September 10 22:28 BST (UK) »
The RCB Library has confirmed that it holds the following C of I records:-

Kilcaskin parish church - marriage records from 1847-1911 and 1929.  Everything else went in the fire at the Public Records Office.

Kilmocomogue parish church (Bantry) - baptisms from 1880-1929 and 1930-2000, marriages 1845-1897 and 1897-1957, burials 1880-1963 and 1964-2000.

Glengarriff (within Kilcaskin parish) did not have a graveyard - baptisms from 1863-1969, marriages 1864-1955 and 1967-1985.