SINCOCK/SIMCOCK & CHENOWETH Cornwall to South Australia

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MMM

THOMAS Nicholas born about 1813 died 24 Apr 1873 buried Callington SA arrived by 1856 0ccupation Farmer residence Callington religion Methodist?
married Eliz born about 1821 died 28 Jul 1883 buried WTC
children Julia Ann SIMCOCK, Mary WILTSHIRE, Eliz Anna WILTSHIRE 1841-1889

THOMAS Elizabeth died 28 Jul 1883 Upper Mitcham Dist Ade 129 496. She was aged 71 a widow relative Nicholas THOMAS deceased husband residence Upper Mitcham.

I would think if there was a second marriage between 1841 census and immigration in 1848 it should be in Redruth district of which Illogan is a part but I do not see anything. There are no births in SA to Nicholas and Elizabeth.

Cheers Kris 

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Aha there is a marriage in SA

THOMAS Nicholas 48 status not recorded father Mauris THOMAS = PENHALL Elizabeth 49 status not recorded father William DALLY 7 Mar 1860 residence of Rev J STANDRIN Mt Barker Dist Nai Symbol S 41 138

Son

John THOMAS 32 single father Nicholas THOMAS = Thomas Mary Ann 34 status not recorded father William PENHALL 31 Oct 1868 res Nicholas THOMAS Callington Dist Str 77 205

daughter

Thomas WILTSHIRE 21 status not recorded father William WILTSHIRE = THOMAS Mary 27 single father Nicholas THOMAS 16 Jun 1863 Res of Mr THOMAS Nr Callington Dist Nai 54 322

Looks like the other daughter listed in BISA is a step daughter

William WILTSHIRE 22 status not recorded father William WILTSHIRE = PENHALL Elizabeth Anna 19 status not recorded father Wiilliam PENHALL 14 Nov 1860 Wesleyan Mission House Mt Barker Dist MtB 44 225

possibly

Henry THOMAS 29 single father Nicholas THOMAS = TILLETT Ellen Elizabeth 21 single father Thomas TILLETT 22 Jan 1874 Wesleyan Mission House Mt Barker Dist MtB 98 168

also note this one in the Register but not listed in the marriage index so unable to say if it was his son

8 Jul 1850

On the 2nd July at the residence of Mr Nicholas THOMAS, Bremer, by the Rev Spencer WILLIAMS Mr William THOMAS to Margretta youngest daughter of Mr Garrett NEGLE of Waterford Ireland.

Cheers Kris 

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THOMAS Nicholas died 23 Apr 1873 Nr Callington Dist Str 52 401. He was aged 60 status relative not recorded residence near Callington

Nicholas does have a headstone at Callington Methodist but unfortunately the MI does not help with what became of Mary.

In Loving Memory
Of
NICHOLAS THOMAS
Died Apr 24 1873
aged 73

There are no other THOMAS monuments in this cemetery

Memorial for John SIMCOCK

Sacred
to the Memory of
JOHN SIMCOCK
who departed this life
March 29 1885
Leaving 5 Sons and 4 Daughters
to mourn their loss
aged 73 years

Weep not for me my sorrowing friends
Who now are gathered round
For in the Grave I now must Lie
Until the Trumpet Sound

and for Martha ( a separate stone)

Sacred
To the memory of
MARTHA
the beloved wife of
John SIMCOCK
Who departed this life Feb 22 1883
aged 65 years

Weep not for me my sorrowing friends
Who now are gathered round
For in the Grave I now must Lie
Until the Trumpet's Sound

Cheers Kris 

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Kris  
YOU ARE A STAR
It will take me weeks to digest all this and try and fit it into what I already have
And then there is Bob's data

Half the  population of South Australia must be descended from these Cornish SIMCOCK and THOMAS lines!

Thanks so much
As always you are so generous with your time and expertise


I forgot to mention to Bob that there were also two THOMAS women, Mary Ann KIDD ( nee THOMAS) and Emmeline THOMAS, daughters of Mauris THOMAS snr, ie cousins of Julia Ann.  They arrived in Melbourne in 1856.  Emmeline moved to SA and married George Henry COBBIN, chemist,  in Mt Barker in 1865 and then Francis Isaac William Elford SMITH, chemist,  in 1896 in Port Augusta.

Mary Ann KIDD (nee THOMAS) married William Cowley WATTS in Melbourne

Barb

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You are very welcome Barb,

I love it when we have posts uniting Cornwall and South Australia 

Now for Bob's SI[NM]COCKS

John SINCOCK = Martha CHENOWETH 21 Jun 1835 Crowan

There is a John SINCOCK baptised in Crowan 19 Jan 1812 parents Edward and Mary

also John SINCOCK 2 Feb 1806 Crowan parents Edward and Grace
also John SINCOCK 25 Jun 1809 Crowan parents Edward and Grace
also John SINCOCK 25 Feb 1810 Crowan parents William and Grace
also John SINCOCK 20 Aug 1815 Crowan parents William and Grace

Sorry no luck with a baptism listing father as John. I can see these marriages in Crowan but no marriage for a John at this time period either. How do you know his father was John?

Martha CHENOWETH was baptised 1 Jan 1814 Crowan parents Samuel and Martha

Samuel CHENOWETH = Martha JOHNS 26 May 1807 Crowan

Cheers Kris 

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About Nicholas THOMAS's 2nd wife Elizabeth
I think she is Elizabeth PENHALL (nee DALLEY or DALLY) who arrived in SA from Cornwall with her husband William PENHALL and 8 children in Sep 1847.

William PENHALL died in SA in 1850. 

I wonder what happened to Nicholas THOMAS's first wife?

Cheers

Barb

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The children between Isaac and Oscar I have Juliann Simcock b Aug 1869 Kanmantoo
From Notes by J.A. Taylor (nee Simcock) at fathers dictaction 6 Oct 1914
1841 Census  235 Records found http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/search.html Transcript of Piece HO107/143 (Part Civil Parish of Perran Uthnoe Book 11 Folio 41 Page 18 NOTE: all ages of Adults should be rounded down to the nearest multiple of  5 Perranuthnoe Downs,1, John Sincock, 25, Miner, In county,, Marth Sincock, 20, In county, John Sincock, 5 In county, William Sincock, 5 In county, Mary Sincock, 18m,, In county, Name: John Sincock Marth Sincock William Sincock John Sincock Mary Sincock Age: 25  20  9  5  1 6 Mo  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 abt 1821 abt 1832 abt 1836 abt 1839 Gender: Male  Female  Male  Male  Female  Where born: Cornwall, England Cornwall, England Cornwall, England Cornwall, England Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Perran Ulthnoe  Perran Ulthnoe  Perran Ulthnoe  Perran Ulthnoe  Perran Ulthnoe  Hundred: Penwith  Penwith  Penwith  Penwith  Penwith  County/Island: Cornwall  Cornwall  Cornwall  Cornwall  Cornwall  Country: England  England  England  England  England  Registration district: Penzance  Penzance  Penzance  Penzance  Penzance  Sub-registration district: Marazion  Marazion MarazionMarazion  Marazion

>Arrived Tasmania 1842 in Adelaide 1844 Assisted Immigrants to Tasmania 1984-1889 ship King William arrived in Tasmania on 28 Jan 1843 and the following are included in the passenger lis Sincock John 31 Sincock Martha 25 Sincock John 8 Sincock William 7 Sincock Mary 3 Sincock bv

http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html  SIMCOCK John, Martha nee CHENOWYTH / CHENOWETH, John, Wm, My, Ed, Martha (ex Tas) arrived by 1845-12-31 [7 ] Source [7] Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SA Genealogy & Heraldry Soc, 1986] Wm = William, My = Mary, Ed = Edward Surname SIMCOCK   Given Names John   Cemetery Callington Cemetery    Plot/Grave/Niche 113 Last Residence KANMANTOO   Date of Death 30/3/1885   Age at Death 73 years  Minister Officiating Reverend Stephenson   Grave Depth 7 feet   Permit/Lease/Register  Burial/Order Number 253 The inscription states 5 sons and 4 daughters Birth c 1812

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/I have John Sincock b 18/1/1812 Crowan baptised 18/1/1812 Crowan d 29/3/1885 Kanmantoo buried Callington Father John b d m ? mother ?
Martha c b 1/1/1814 d 22/2/1883 Kanmantoo b Callington m 26/6/1835 Cornwall
parents Samuel and Martha
Jahn, William and Mary born Cornwall Edward bor aboard ship Martha born Tasmania Jane Adelaide Catherine, Samuel and Susannah Mt Barker Joseph Kanmatoo

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/I have John Sincock b 18/1/1812 Crowan baptised 18/1/1812 Crowan d 29/3/1885 Kanmantoo buried Callington Father John b d m ? mother ?

But Bob, where is the  baptism to verify this 

You say you have this but can you please supply the source? The marriage is too early to list father. SA deaths do not list fathers, the burial at Callington does not list parents. Generally babies are not baptised the day they are born unless it is a private baptism - usually at  home because the baby is not expected to live. Sometimes they do survive and there is usually in these circumstances a second entry to indicate they were received into the church at a later date.

This is 1 day before the the baptism I found  to Edward and Mary 

Cheers Kris