john thanks for the word of warning will take note. I have not seen documentary evidence of fiffy as being their mother i have seen this; Woodhouse Albert B mother Woodhouse Chelsea v1a page552 as i said earlier i think horace, angnes and albert were born out of wedlock from discussions with other members of my family, and their mother died giving birth to a child later in her life, name of woolmore i believe, it appears that most of what i have been reading ties up with what i have heard, another rumour was their father was clergy and had nothing to do with any of the them, hence them being put into homes, and maybe horace woodhouse as father was just put on the certificate, does this make sense to you.
mike