Herbert John Alfred Lait look up1901

[samthompson]

Hello

I will call the Kenora Town office tomorrow and see if they can tell me the dates that James and Elizabeth Hammill were buried, also if their son James Hammill or wife Winona is buried there. If any of them are then an obituary might help you with Ma(r)jory married name or other surviving family members.
Right now in Calgary it 3:05 and Ontario is 2 hours later than we are so the offices are closed now.

I will let you know.

Thelma

[rw007a6097]

Hello Thelma , thank you once again , I believe Elizabeths's husband's name was Harrold, I was sent the following information and this might help Elizabeth Hamill born 1853 interred March 8 1969 and Harrold E Hamill born  1897 interred 12 April 1958.

          Regards Ken

[samthompson]

Hello again

these are  likely the WW1 military sign up papers for Elizabeth's future husband, Harold E. Hamill
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc006/375147a.gif

you have this already

Harold E. Hamill interred April 12, 1958
Elizabeth Hamill interred March 8, 1969
They are buried in 6 East - 10 - lot 2 and 3
In the same section buried in lot 1 is Ed Hamill, 1909 and in lot 4 is William Hamill, 1914

No listings for James or Winona Hamill


Also buried in the Lake of the Woods Cemetery is
Thirza Lang
interred Nov 28, 1898 4 West - 7 lot 2
No James but a lot of Langs including another  Thirza Lang died 1958

I would try one of the following to find more information. You need an obit for Elizabeth to see who is listed as her family and where they were living. An obit for Harold might help as well. The obits might list a funeral home. In my experience most Funeral homes have been very helpful and usually will mail out copies of the family information they collect (next of kin, addresses, who paid for the plot and obit, etc.) so you may want to try that route as well.

1. http://mykenora.com/myk/default.asp?scid=435
this is the Kenora Public Library. Perhaps you could email them and ask if they have newspapers on microfiche for the years that Harold and Elizabeth died. Ask if they will look up an obit for you. If they do not have the papers archived there they should be able to direct you to somewhere else

2. http://raogk.com/ontario.htm
this is a site where volunteers offer to help with searches close to where they live. There is a gentleman listed for Kenora, perhaps he could help you with getting obits, funeral home records, etc. If you decide to use this site you MUST make ONLY one request every two weeks - the administration monitors the site to make sure no one is abusing the volunteers time. If you make more than one request they may refuse to help you.

3. here are the funeral homes I found in Kenora. I would email or write to them and see if they can help you.

Brown Funeral Home & Cremation Centre Phone: (807) 468-8633 Fax: (807) 468-5114
Contact: Evelyn McLeod
Website: www.funeralscanada.com
Address: 429 Second St. S.
City: Kenora, ON P9N 1G7

Kenora Community funeral Home Ltd. Phone: (807) 547-6000 Fax: (807) 547-6005
Contact: Daniel W. Coulter Website:
Address: Box 1610
City: Kenora, ON P9N 3X5
Email: kcfh@voyageur.ca



Good Luck

Thelma
 

[rw007a6097]

Thelma just to let you know, i have now made contact with a distant relative in Kenora, and so much information is winging its way to Bristol I am indebted to you,is it possible you could do one more 1901 census look up for me . The name is Gertrude Howard  and she is marrried and living in the Kenora  area, ..however if you can't  I would still like to say a huge thank you  to you for all the work you have already done for me.  THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS   Sincere regards Ken

[samthompson]

Hello again

this should be Gertrude and family

Howard Wm H M   Head M Dec 15 1876 35
44   106 Howard Gertrude F   Wife M Dec 18 1866 34
45   106 Howard Gertrude M F   Daughter S Sep 18 1891 9
46   106 Howard Maud E F   Daughter S Aug 11 1893 7
47   106 Howard Thusa M M   Son S Aug 13 1895 5
48   106 Howard William T M   Son S Jul 13 1897 3
49   106 Howard Sadie F F   Daughter S Feb 6 1901
Page Information
District: ON ALGOMA (#44)
Subdistrict: Rat Portage (Town/Ville) n(2)-6 Page 10
Image: View the image using a split screen or new window.
Images are from National Archives Web Site
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6458

Looking at the actual census page

Wm Howard born in England, date of immigration not listed, religion is Plymouth Brethern or something like that - it is hard to make out, listed as market gardener (? again hard to read)

Gertrude Howard, born in England, no year of immigration

all the children born in Ontario

daughter listed as Thusa could be Thersa?

Go to this site and you can look around in the census if you want to see the actual page
http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html


The 1906 census for Ontario has not been indexed yet so is not available to check.

Here is some further information on two of their children


Gertrude Minnerva Howard 
  Female     
   

~~~~~~~~
Event(s):
 Birth:  18 SEP 1891   Rat Portage, Rainy River District, Ontario
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

~~~~~~~~
Parents:
  Father:  William Howard  Family
  Mother:  Gertride Howard     
     

~~~~~~~~
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type: 
 
 C017746          Film 
 
 
 Sheet: 


I believe this is their daughter although the name for the mother is different

Maud Elizabeth Howard 
  Female     
   

~~~~~~~~
Event(s):
 Birth:  16 AUG 1893   Root Portage, , Rainy River District, Ontario
 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

~~~~~~~~
Parents:
  Father:  William Howard  Family
  Mother:  Catherine Howard     
 

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Messages:
 Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. 
     

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Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type: 
 
 C015149          Film 
 
 
 Sheet: 

I checked to see if I could find William Howard Jr in the WW1 records for Canada but no luck there.

Good luck

Thelma

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[samthompson]

Hello once again,

this looks interesting although some of the names and dates are a little off - you may want to poke around through it and see if anything catches your eye. I think this is your Gertrude's family.

In the 1901 census Gertrude's son is William T,  she has a daughter Maud E., a daughter Sadie. Most of the dates listed as "about ..."   on the following are probably guesses.

At this link you can see the information and also an email contact for the person who posted the information
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:ah8448&id=I2414



ID: I2414
Name: William Henry HOWARD
Sex: M
Birth: 10 JUL 1861
Death: 18 AUG 1926

Marriage 1 Gertrude WILSON b: ABT 1862
Married: ABT 1885
Children
 William Thomas HOWARD b: 10 JUL 1897
 Mary HOWARD b: 14 AUG 1895
 Maud E. HOWARD b: 11 AUG 1893
 Saddie HOWARD b: ABT 1894
 Millie HOWARD b: ABT 1890
 Jack HOWARD b: 28 JAN 1904
 Bert HOWARD b: 22 JUN 1911


ID: I1458
Name: William Thomas HOWARD
Sex: M
Birth: 10 JUL 1897
Death: 19 AUG 1976

Father: William Henry HOWARD b: 10 JUL 1861
Mother: Gertrude WILSON b: ABT 1862

Marriage 1 Emma Irene GATES b: 22 DEC 1904 in Treherne, MB
Married: 1 JUN 1925
Children
 Mildred Bernice HOWARD b: 17 APR 1927
 Irwin Thomas HOWARD b: 4 DEC 1929 in Winnipeg, MB
 Baby HOWARD b: 19 AUG 1927


Using the name Thomas Howard I found Gertrude's son in WW1 - here is a link
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc007/405101a.gif

Good luck

Thelma

[samthompson]

Oops, forgot to point out that on the WW1 forms for  William Thomas Howard from Kenora, Ont. he is listed as having a birth certificate for July 10, 1897 - this is the same birth date as the William Thomas Howard from the following (also mentioned in my message that I just sent)

Name: William Henry HOWARD
Sex: M
Birth: 10 JUL 1861
Death: 18 AUG 1926

Marriage 1 Gertrude WILSON b: ABT 1862
Married: ABT 1885
Children

 William Thomas HOWARD b: 10 JUL 1897

 Mary HOWARD b: 14 AUG 1895
 Maud E. HOWARD b: 11 AUG 1893
 Saddie HOWARD b: ABT 1894
 Millie HOWARD b: ABT 1890
 Jack HOWARD b: 28 JAN 1904
 Bert HOWARD b: 22 JUN 1911

[rw007a6097]

Hello It;s me again, Gertrude was born 1866 at Cheddar  I know it says about 1862  but everything else seems to fit.
Guess what, another sister has materealised this is Agnes, Gertrude's eldest sister and I think the reason why they all came out to Kenora was because of Agnes. Agnes was married to a William Henry Hawley and Agnes died 1894 and he died on April 23 1927., they are both buried in Kenora. On his daughters marriage certificate ( she married in the UK  this was Sadie Agnes Hawley who married  Herbert   Lait)  Wiiliam Henry Hawley's occupation is listed as being "Gentleman". Can you give me anymore information i.e. any other children ,where they lived, Wiiliam's occupation ,
How do I go about obtaining the death certificate's for all my ancestors who have died in Kenora, I hope you wont find this request an imposition. I am most grateful to you for all you have already
done for me. Once again I am indebted to you      Many Thanks Ken

[samthompson]

Hello Ken

this family is elusive - there are a lot of Hawleys (some German, some English) in Ontario from the early 1800's and on but I cannot find any reference to William Henry, Agnes, or Sadie Hawley (or Howley, or Hawly, etc). They may have been in the USA or even England. They may also be in parts of Canada that are not indexed in  Census reports yet. For example, there are also Hawleys in British Columbia where the Lait family ended up. Perhaps there is a connection there.

Anyway, it looks like you have found Agnes and William in Kenora's graveyard. Have you been able to find obits for them? That should list family members, possibly family origins, etc. If you can find someone to go look at their graves you may find that they are buried in a family plot (for example, my grandparents and great aunts are buried in an fenced in family area that also has the graves of my great grandparents and other family members). You may find some clues that way.

Did Agnes have a middle name that she may have used?
Still pondering what other resources to check. If you have any other dates, etc let me know.

Good luck

Thelma