A Walter frustration....

[Devilish]

Hi Pels

I have, on the offical site.

And been hitting brick walls.

The ONLy shred of evidence i have - and proof - is Herbert's Marriage certificate from October 1919 - saying him as 44 years old - and Jesse, the father, being dead by 1919.

But when - is the biggest mystery. Herbert and Jesse to me seem to be the biggest headache i've had...ever i think ;p

1901 and 1911 show Jesse/henry as nothing....Eliza i can't be certain on anything (except she was born on 02/02/1847).

As far as marriage between Jesse And Eliza there is - on Feb 20th 1874.

That's why this Thingoe connection im iffy with. Herbert being born back in Bury St Edmunds later on in that quarter the same year.....then going back to london again in 1875 for a baptism (almost exactly one year later.)

I can't seem to tie it all together.

[gortonboy]

  could this be henry/jessie with son ernest

1901  28, Cuthbert Street, Paddington 
 
 RG13      Piece: 1      Folio:  132      Page:  37         
 
Henry Walter    Head Widower  m 48 1853 Stableman
 N K Eng 
 Ernest  Walter Son Single  m 20 1881 Metal Plater
 St Johns Wood
London

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[Devilish]

Hi Gorton

I think that's the best entry ive seen in the last few days.

Why.

1) ive seen census entries relating to St Johns Wood before, or appear elsewhere relating to these people.

2) Ernest Walter's age matches. he was 1 month old on the 1881 census - whenever it was taken - so could be invaluable, so thanks for that detective work

3) jesse was born in 1850 - not 53 - but from 1881/91 censuses he isn't exactly honest when it comes to his age - so take that with a pinch of salt.

[gortonboy]

possible death...lambeth isnt a million miles from paddington and st johns wood??

Deaths Dec 1898 
 
Walter  Eliza  50  Lambeth  1d 279

[Devilish]

ive just been eyeing up that same record at the same time - ironically - im trying to picture the mileage away from it.

She was born in 1847, and even on ancestry - there is no other record remotely close to it.

Unless anything is found and she turns up in 1911, of course!

[Devilish]

Just a tie up with gorton.

There is an entry in the death records of a Jesse Walter in 1918 in Paddington - maybe a coincidence?

[Pels.]

3) jesse was born in 1850 - not 53 - but from 1881/91 censuses he isn't exactly honest when it comes to his age - so take that with a pinch of salt.

The only person who appears to be consistently there in 1881/1891 and 1901 is Ernest Walter.

Another question I'm afraid, but who did you try and find in 1871 for the father of Herbert Albert Walter . Did you follow the 1881 details of Jesse or the 1891 description of Henry ?

I can't imagine how Jesse and Henry are even the same man, with the details we have so far ? I think we need to go back to brass tacks with this and make some comparisons.

Pels.

[Pels.]

To make it easier to follow, for me at least.


1881 census:
RG11/172, Folio 44, Page 31

London, Hampstead
5, Albert Terrace

Jessie Walter, head, mar, 40, Coachman, b. Berks, Reading
Eliza, wife, mar, 30, b. Suffolk, Bury St Edmunds
Herbert, son, 6, b. Suffolk, Bury St Edmunds
Jessie, dau, 4, b. Middlesex, Hampstead
Ernest, son 1mth, b. Middlesex, Hampstead


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1891 census:
RG12/4, Folio 142, Page 39

London, Paddington
54, Clifton Gardens

Henry Walter, head, mar, 39, Coachman, b. Herefordshire, Hereford
Eliza, wife, mar, 38, b. Suffolk, Bury St Edmunds
Herbert, son, 16, Porter (Shop), b. Suffolk, Bury St Edmunds
Jessie, dau, 16, General Servant, b. London, Hampstead
Ernest, son, 10, Scholar, b. London, Hampstead


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and a copy of Gorton's brilliant find in 1901 :


1901 census:
RG13/1, Folio 132, Page 37 

London, Paddington
28, Cuthbert St.

Henry Walter, head, widr, 48, Stableman, Groom. b. N. K. Eng
Ernest, son, unm, 20, Metal Plater, b. London, St Johns Wood


Pels.

[Pels.]

3) jesse was born in 1850 - not 53 - but from 1881/91 censuses he isn't exactly honest when it comes to his age - so take that with a pinch of salt.

How do you know Jesse was born in 1850, do you have his birth details ?

We now have approximate years for Jesse's birth in :


1841 - Location, Berks, Reading .. according to the 1881.

1852 - Location, Herefordshire, Hereford .. according to the 1891.

1853 - Location, Not Known, England .. according to the 1901


Sorry to be so full of questions, but without being fully aware of the details you've already found - it makes it hard to break down.

Pels.