1901 UK Census mystery

[heywood]

Hellol,
I've had little success in tracing the 1891 family in an earlier census 

The 11 week old child is transcribed as Mary E (it is difficult to decide) and the nearest birth is a Mary Lizzie in March quarter 1891.

(Sorry - I thought I had found Mary Ann married to Richard Langton and a sister 'Elizabeth'  in 1901 but just realised that the sister would be 10 and not 20  )
best wishes
heywood

[heywood]

Hello again,

you might want to look at this for 1881  RG11; Piece: 4004; Folio: 116; Page: 8
transcribed as 'Bronshaw' but clearly Cronshaw.
John is right age and a Slater. Mary Hannah is right age for Mary A in 1891 but can't see John W. 
Possible deaths for  Susannah and Harriet in Free BMD and a marriage in 1869.
1871 RG10; Piece: 4052; Folio: 48; Page: 21
has John and Susannah

Doesn't help though with Ellen in 1901 

Do you have her in 1911?

[heywood]

There are only 3 possible Herbert Axon 's in 1901 and she is not living with him. do not know if that helps.
1901 England Census
Name:    Herbert Axon
Birth:    abt 1876 - Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Residence:    1901 - Royton, Lancashire, England
   
Name:    Herbert Axon
Birth:    abt 1882 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Residence:    1901 - Haughton Green, Denton, Lancashire, England
   
Name:    Herbert Axon
Birth:    abt 1886 - Altrincham, Cheshire, England
Residence:    1901 - Altrincham, Cheshire, England

There are other Herberts in earlier censuses who may be more suited (age wise).

One I think is here in 1901 RG13; Piece: 3683; Folio: 19; Page: 29
transcribed as Oxon - he is born c 1858
No sign of Mary or Ellen though 

[heywood]

Sorry to keep adding bits which you may think unnecessary or unhelpful.

There are a couple of trees on Anc. with very scant information which link Herbert and Mary and a daughter Emma b 1902. I wondered if, as these often are, someone has seen the BMDs and just used them.
However, there is a birth for Emma 1902 in Mcr but I can't find her, nor Ellen, nor Herbert in 1911 census.
There is a death 1925- which may fit Herbert.

[RonOne]

OK, I know this is an old thread but the following may be relevant to this recent one:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=672595.0

Marriage Reg;
John CRONSHAW, June 1889, Prestwich, 8d 544
On the same page is Mary MURTHA

Trish

The Marriage Cert is a great idea as he is hard to find on Census entries conclusively pre1891.
Let us know the outcome please

Marriage: 14 Jun 1889 at st Catherine, Manchester
John Cronshaw (X), aged 32, Widower, Slater, 3 Bilberry St - Father John Cronshaw, Slater
Mary Murtha, aged 23, Spinster, Artificial Flower Maker, 2 Bk Buckley St - Father Peter Murtha, Dyer
Witnesses John Litherland; Hannah Litherland

- CLICK HERE - for the parish register image

John Cronshaw's address matches the 1891 census posed my millymbc reply#2
Also note the surnames of the witnesses Litherland.

There is a possible first marriage for John Cronshaw to a  Susannah Litherland, 25 Sep 1869 at Manchester Cathedral. Maybe someone could check the details?

[RonOne]

Mary Cronshaw alternative surname given as Murtha remarried in 1902 to a Herbert Axon at St. Michael, Manchester so she must be somewhere with Ellen.

Mo

Marriage: 16 Jun 1902 at St Michael (Angel Meadow), Manchester
Herbert Axon, aged 29, Bachelor, Laborer, 19 Old Mount St - Father Henry Axon, Blacksmith
Mary Cronshaw, aged 35, Widow [no occupation], 19 Old Mount St - Father Peter Murtha (deceased), Dyer
Witnesses Robert Neil; Mary Ann Neil (X)

- CLICK HERE - for the parish register image.

[ManU]

Hi Guys
Many years ago I put a request for info on Herbert Axon & Mary Cronshaw re Murtha well over the years I figured it all out and I have a ancestral line from John Cronshaw b1799 right through to about 1912 and beyond
I revisited this site out of curiosity as I am trying to reconfirm dates, certificates and sources.
There have been many John Cronshaws with kids called john, their sons john and so on its gets very confusing.
however to "RonOne" your post on Herbert Axon is correct, John marriage to Murtha is correct, the Litherland connection is correct, when she died early that John remarried but I think you have father and sons mixed up, the images links were great and I have the actual marriage cert for john & Mary Murtha which confirms a lot
I have attached I hope a family tree (I am connected by marriage much later) which I am working on it I hope it will make it clearer were the john's fit in the scheme of things
If I get any further posts, replies or information I will try and post it here
Thanks again guys