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Addresses that no longer exist
« on: Friday 24 September 10 20:25 BST (UK) »
Most of the addresses mentioned on my Census returns and birth and marraige certificates do not exist any longer. Most of them are from 1820 - 1910.  I have trawled google and yahoo along with the maps links mentioned on here without any luck at all.  Maybe I am not searching correctly. I realise alot of streets were destroyed during the War and have been developed into industrial areas etc but does anyone know how I can find out about the addreses I have?  I suspect that if the road/street no longer exists it must have been a poor area/slum clearances or a court.
If anyone cam help, here are a few of the addresses and dates;
London Street, Ratcliff, London  1881 & 1891
Church Gardens, St Georges in the East, London 1871
Waterloo Court, St Georges in the East, Tower Hamlets, London 1851
Worcester Court, St Georges in the East, London 1841

Thank you for any help you can offer.
Julie

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Re: Addresses that no longer exist
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 September 10 20:34 BST (UK) »
there has been much 'regeneration' in london .... a developer's bonanza!

sadly, addresses will have changed, along with the residents.

it might be worth contacting the council offices.

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Re: Addresses that no longer exist
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 September 10 20:40 BST (UK) »
There is a Victorian "A-Z" here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lon-str.html
You might find some of your streets there.

and there used to be another site (london, lost streets), now "dead" - I'll see if it's found a new home ....

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 September 10 20:45 BST (UK) »
Booths Poverty maps are also good for comparing "now" and "then"

You can zoom in on the areas you need

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/static/a/4.html

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Re: Addresses that no longer exist
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 September 10 20:52 BST (UK) »
http://archivemaps.com/mapco/cross1861/cross31.htm

these are good for zooming in on, find the right area and work your way through it, you should read the first page of the census that describes the area you are looking for as it will say which roads they went down to get to the various addresses, thats how i found the  trafalgar square my gggran lived at and all her other addresses in the same area
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Re: Addresses that no longer exist
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 September 10 21:59 BST (UK) »
Hi


For London try


A-Z Old to New Street Names 1857-1929

http://www.maps.thehunthouse.net/Streets/Old_to_New_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm

or

Road Name changes

http://www.rayment.info/general/road_name_changes/index.html



Between the two this should cover nearly all streets you might want to find a new name for depending just how short lived the road or street was and whether it constituted a road or street in the first place.


e.g. the likeliest candidate for London Street

London Street (E2) - Dunbridge Street



Courts in the east End of London would be small unpaved areas with housing (often tenements) surrounding the unpaved space which would connect to a road or street.

e.g.
http://www.jewisheastend.com/Vine%20Court%20Synagogue%20off%20Whitechapel%20Road1.jpg



Waterloo Court (according to Your Archives for the 1851 census) was off Samuel Street

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:St_George_in_the_East_Registration_District,_1851_Census_Street_Index_T-Z


Checking the two websites given there were two Samuel Streets in the Stepney area both of which changed their names - one was renamed Wicker Street and the other Spelman Street.

The most likely using Google maps appears to be Wicker Street

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl



Worcester Court and street (Your Archives 1841) was off Old Gravel Lane

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:St_George_In_The_East_Registration_District,_1841_Census_Street_Index_T-Z

By 1851 Worcester Court is off Worcester Street (the nearby street is Old Gravel Lane)

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:St_George_in_the_East_Registration_District,_1851_Census_Street_Index_T-Z


The only possible Worcester Street in the area listed on either of the two websites (Google maps doesn't show a modern possibility) changed its name after 1929


A-Z Old to New Street Names 1929-1945

http://www.maps.thehunthouse.net/Streets/Old_to_New_London_Street_Name_Changes.htm  

It appears to have been renamed Reardon Street




Church Gardens in 1871 was off Green Bank


http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:St_George_in_the_East_Registration_District,_1871_Census_Street_Index_C-F


Green Bank still seems to exist.




Regards


Valda
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Re: Addresses that no longer exist
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 September 10 10:29 BST (UK) »
there has been much 'regeneration' in london .... a developer's bonanza!

sadly, addresses will have changed, along with the residents.

it might be worth contacting the council offices.



Not just developers.............. this area was heavily bombed in WW2.

 
RIP 1949-10th January 2013

Best Wishes,  Nick.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 September 10 10:34 BST (UK) »
Hi


Most street name changes in London however seem to have occurred in the second half of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Despite bombing and development the original established street patterns or at least some semblance of them have often continued.


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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 September 10 17:31 BST (UK) »
I don't know where you live, but Kew, London Metropolitan Archives and other London archives and libraries have historic collections of both Kelly's and the Post Office directories.  Kelly's is particularly useful as it listed road and says ~ here is Thingy Avenue ~ on the major roads, so you can pinpoint where they were. 

I found Ingram Place, where my gt grandparents lived, on Hornsey Road, this way.  They usually gave their address as 13 Hornsey Road but on one cert it says Ingram Place and I was puzzled about this for ages.  Directories may also list occupations etc which gives you an idea about the type of neighbourhood - even grotty districts had posher streets and posh districts had poorer roads.
Chowns in Buckinghamshire
Broad, Eplett & Pope in St Ervan/St Columb Major, Cornwall
Browning & Moore in Cambridge, St Andrew the Less
Emms, Mealing & Purvey in Cotswolds, Gloucestershire
Barnes, Dunt, Gray, Massingham in Norfolk
Higho in London
Matthews & Nash in Whichford, Warwickshire
Smoothy, Willsher in Coggeshall & Chelmsford, Essex