Author Topic: Williams family- Anglesey to Patagonia- 20th century  (Read 7233 times)

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Williams family- Anglesey to Patagonia- 20th century
« on: Monday 27 September 10 15:05 BST (UK) »
Hi all, i am trying to find information on this family- so far i have:

William Williams born 1876 (son of John williams and Ellen)
married to Ellen born 1879

they married in 1898 (according to 1911 census)

their children were
William John born 1899
Ellen Grace born 1901
Margaret Ellen born 1903
Hugh Evan 1905
Edith born 1907
James born 1901

All were born in Holyhead,
i have got 1901 and 1911 census's and now am really wanting information coming forword- these are cousins of my Nains and we were always told one cousin went to Patagonia so are trying to narrow down which ones it could be!

Is anybody else researching this family?  (long shot im sure!!) or can anybody help?

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 February 11 21:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi
According to FreeBMD there is 3 possible surnames for Ellen to William Williams,  for marriage 1898

Dec Q   Ellen Thomas
Dec Q   Ellen Williams
Dec Q   Ellen Roberts

Going either side of 1898 is the following:-

1897 Jun Q Ellen Jones  -  Bangor
1899 Mar Q Ellen Roberts - Canarvon
1899 Sep Q Ellen Hughes - Bangor
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You need to check Passenger Lists to find who travelled abroad. These are on many genealogy sites like Ancestry, Find My Past etc..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia       Patagonia = Argentina/Chile
Travellers might have sailed to America first then boarded another vessel to travel to South America.

Bendywendy


HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 February 11 21:33 GMT (UK) »
White Star Line operated between Holyhead and New York.
Quite a few Williams travelled to and fro between these two places. I don't have full access to Passenger Lists, only UK Incoming Passengers.
You should condense your search  from Departing Holyhead, Liverpool etc to Arriving  New York then see if you can track from New York to South America.
You also need to keep an open mind that the person might have gone to other places before settling in Patagonia.

Might it have been some kind of Missionary work that took the person to S. America??

Bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 February 11 21:55 GMT (UK) »
 Welsh Colony of Settlers in Patagonia

http://www.rgs.org/WhatsOn/Past+events/Travel+Events/Discovering+Patagonia.htm

Quote....In July 1865, 165 Welsh settlers colonised an area of the Chubut valley. Between 1865 and 1915 the colony was reinforced by another 3,000 settlers from Wales and the United States. Although living conditions were harsh, the colony expanded by trading with the Tehuelches and by irrigating the barren land. The colony continued to expand until the Great Depression of the 1930’s. Many of their descendants continue to live in the region today. The arrival of European colonists and the military campaigns of the 1870s and 1880s resulted in the indigenous Mapuche and Teheulches tribes being wiped out or forced onto reserves....Unquote
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http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Patagonia_1899-1905
Patagonia 1899-1905
DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE WELSH SETTLEMENT 1899-1905
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also
http://www.welsh-patagonia.com/GenealogicalIndex.htm
WELSH PATAGONIAN GENEALOGICAL INDEX
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also a book
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0957829183?tag=thewelshinpat-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0957829183&adid=12WH2BE9MCR1PSVXTNP2&
Welsh Patagonians: The Australian Connection [Paperback]
Michele Langfield and Peta Roberts (Author)
Product Description
One hundred and fifty-one Welsh Patagonians migrated to Australia between 1910 and 1916. A similar number of Welsh had sailed away to Patagonia in 1865 to start their own self-sufficient colony along the Chubut River in southern Argentina, free to speak and teach in Welsh, worship as they pleased, and to govern themselves. A magnet to a better life in Australia was the prospect of legal title to their own land. Migrating as groups, they separately formed two ‘Welsh settlements’ along the Murrumbidgee River of New South Wales and around Moora-Miling in Western Australia. Two large families who went to Darwin never took up their promised land. Drought, depression and poor quality land eventually dispersed these immigrants to all parts of Australia. This book traces the unique experiences of an almost complete group of immigrants, whose extensive kinship and affiliations kept alive their stories long enough for them to be related in this book. Rich personal testimonies gleaned from oral histories with sixty-three descendants, together with genealogical information spanning generations, are blended here with library and archival research from four countries. The result is a fascinating story of the connections of these Welsh Patagonians to Australia. Australian immigration encouragement policies are seen through the experiences of the Welsh Patagonians, casting new light on the application of Australian immigration policies and settlement schemes in the early twentieth century.
About the Author
Peta Roberts' grandfather was born in Patagonia, and told stories of Indians and huge land grants. To investigate them, she visited Chubut in 1992. Peta later published a complete genealogical guide "Welsh Patagonia Genealogical Index 1865 to 1900" (ISBN 0646189174). Michele Langfield visited Chubut in 1994, having written about the Welsh Patagonians. She is a historian at Deakin University, Melbourne in Australia and has published widely in the fields of migration, multiculturalism, cultural heritage and identity.
Publisher: Crossing Press (June 30, 2005)     ISBN-10: 0957829183     ISBN-13: 978-0957829183
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa
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http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Wales-History/Patagonia.htm
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_headline=welsh-8216-back-in-fashion-8217-in-patagonia&method=full&objectid=19520344&siteid=50082-name_page.html
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http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Welsh_Colony_in_Patagonia
Outwards Passenger List for the Orita which left Liverpool on 2 November 1911 taking immigrants to Puerto Madryn. This voyage was the last major migration from Wales to Patagonia. Please note that outwards passenger lists for destinations outside Europe are now searchable online at ancestorsonboard. Researchers interested in the history of Welsh emigration to Patagonia should search under the name of any emigrant leaving any British port for ARGENTINA and PUERTO (or PORT) MADRYN. If a common name such as Jones or Edwards is used then such a search will bring up their names and the names of other emigrants travelling with them.
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to find more on web, type in search bar   the welsh in patagonia

bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.


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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 February 11 22:12 GMT (UK) »
ancestorsonboard   is with Find My Past
http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/

                      Year of birth  Year of Dep                  Port of Dep         Port of Arrival
James WILLIAMS b cir 1901 left 1927 from London 
William WILLIAMS b cir 1888 left 1925 from Southampton for Buenos Aires    
Edith WILLIAMS b cir 1907 left 1953 from Southampton for Buenos Aires

In order to view the details this is a Pay to View service, details are on the website.

Bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 February 11 00:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi- Thankyou for all your hard work and the information! certainly a lot to look at- it all seems very interesting!!

ive got the record for the Ellen Williams:

Edith WILLIAMS age 46 housewife departed 9 October 1953 from Southampton aboard the Alcantara

It certainly fits the name/age of my Ellen, it has no marrital status but occupaion housewife?? Do you think this means she would be married? it says no others with same surname on the same page- so obviuosly if married there was no husband with her

It doesnt seem to matter what I look at it throws up dozens more questions/ possibilities!!!   ???
Gemma

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 February 11 08:57 GMT (UK) »
I think if she was married her surname would not be listed as Williams, but, keep an open mind.
 
You will need to search for a marriage for her, either Wales etc or does she appear on WELSH PATAGONIAN GENEALOGICAL INDEX for marriage or death??

Also consider the possibility of her "running away" from an husband to join her "new love" abroad.
Also her husband might have died and she was starting afresh, reverting back to her maiden name.
A lot of families travelled together, others went separately.

Also look for UK Incoming Passenger Lists to see if she ever made a visit back to the UK.

Check how many Edith Williams was born at same time as your Edith and how many married/died... done it for you...
On FreeBMD in range of 1905 -1909 Births there was 4 with just name Edith - no middle name.
On FreeBMD in range of 1920-1953 Marriages there is just 2 with just name Edith - no middle name ...
Dec Q 1929 Holyhead to ??? Jones, sorry no forename details.
Sep Q 1935 Caernarvon to ??? Howard, again no forename details.
You could buy both these marriage certs to see  what fathers name is given for Edith.

On FreeBMD in range of 1905 -1953 there is many deaths of just Edith Williams...all have ages listed and none fits in with your Edith's birth, so it does appear she may not have died before 1953.

I will look the marriages up on  Ancestry to see if I can find the husband's name, but will be much later today when I get back in touch with you.

Bendywendy




HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 February 11 12:10 GMT (UK) »
The Welsh settlement in Patagonia
Records are held at Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales
http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=thewelshsettlementinpatagoniLlyfrgell 
A list of books and articles on the Welsh settlement in Patagonia, South America. The Library also has a detailed list of periodicals published in the settlement, including the newspaper Y Drafod (1891-) See also Glaniad
Bendywendy
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: another William Williams family!
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 February 11 19:05 GMT (UK) »

Edith Williams age 46 arrived 13th July 1953 at Southampton aboard the Alcantara from Buenos Aires
Proposed address.. Crush's Farm, Raleigh Hd, Pattons ??, Essex
Work...Housework
Last Permanent Residence...Argentina

Edith Gwen Williams age 26 arrived 29th Aug 1932 at Southampton from Buenos Aires aboard the Asturias
Proposed address in UK ... Woodlands, Chipping Sodbury, Glos.



HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.