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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #18 on: Monday 20 June 05 19:50 BST (UK) »

Impy

Hope you're doing OK and your research is picking up steam ::) ::)

Found this site to be interesting - maybe give you some hints and ideas if not constructive help

http://www.bl.uk/collections/orientaloffice.html

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 09 July 05 17:08 BST (UK) »


Impy - where are you??.............

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 13 July 05 19:12 BST (UK) »
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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 09 October 05 20:41 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Came upon your posting whilst doing a Google search.
There are records in the British National Archive for 2 seamen named Small from Barbados
M W SMALL born 23/11/1932 and R W B SMALL BORN 28/03/1931
If any of these dates ring any bells, post and I will endevour to advise you how to get these records direct from the archive without a visit to Kew.
Dim ateb yn well nag ateb anghywir. Nid oes dim yn ddall fel rhai nad ydynt yn dymuno gweld

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 09 October 05 20:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Imp

1881 census cd has the merchant navy on northern and misc cd, and scotland.  Note online at lds only has england and wales.  You are having a fun time trying to find the elusive islanders and I thought mine were difficult.  Hope you find a bit more success.

Cheers

John Rowley
DUNN - Cambuslang, LKS
FORSYTH - Shotts, LKS
FRAME - Hamilton, LKS
HODGSON - Hamsterley, DUR
HUMPHREY - Easingwold, NRY
HUNT - Frimley, Surrey
MCKECHNIE - Argyll - Shotts
NETHERCLIFF(T)/ DRAYCOTT Sandhurst, BKS
PEPPERCORN - Lolworth, Cambs
PRATT - Thirsk, NYK
REDSHAW - Hamsterley, DUR
REYNOLDS - Fritton,Stratton,NFK
ROWLEY - STS to DUR
TALLACK - St Agnes Padstow,CON
WALMSLEY - NRY,Brum
WILSON - Hamsterley, Co Durham
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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 15 December 05 07:32 GMT (UK) »
A number of years ago, perhaps 10 or 20, I wrote by snailmail to some place in England to find out if they had a record for an individual who had been a merchant seaman but I didn't know where in the world he had signed on or to what ships.  They wrote me back and said they had no record of him.  Surely this place must still exist, or is it a service that got cut somewhere along the line?  You've got me wondering now if there are additional sources I don't know about, whereas I thought at the time that I'd covered it.
ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot; NB; Westminstr Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN, Peter/Adam - Germany
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER, MAXWELL - Ldn lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol tobacconist, London
WW1 internees

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 15 December 05 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Well, still hunting for these merchant seamen.... though that listing above by seaweed does seem to be my partner's dad, Maurice Woodsley Small... the 1932 seems to be a close match to his birth... I'm waiting for my partner to see if he can varify the birthdate, then I might order a copy of the record (digital copies available at £6.50).

Loo, the National Archives website experience is like wading through mud looking for a lost penny!!

I ran a search for Small AND Barbados with no other search criteria and it said there were no matches. Then I searched with the code BT which cover the seamen's records, and the 2 that Seaweed found came up!!

Some records, especially those around WW1, have been destroyed, so it depends when your chap served.

We leave for Barbados in 6 weeks, and I've got nowhere with this research... I wanted to go armed with some info so we could track down more records and the places they lived.

By the way... since this message... I did find royal ancestry for this family... not through slave owners but through his only British line... one of the maternal lines comes from Scotland and is directly descended from Robert the Broce and Roberts Stuart II & III of Scotland... which makes him 19th cousin to Prince Charles.

Off to fruitlessly search some more......
Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 15 December 05 23:14 GMT (UK) »
My chap is WW2, at the end of the war, 1944 I think;  he was born in 1929 and joined under-age onto some unknown merchant ship in Halifax, Canada and went to England and back a few times.  I don't know for sure that it was British registry, but it was an allied vessel.  Eventually it was hit, on the edge of Canadian waters, but he was rescued.
Are you suggesting that I might be wise to do my own searching, then?  I don't think it was the National Archives that I wrote to at that time, but I suppose it might have been;  it was some published address that was supposed to be the right place at the time.  I would still like to know the answer;  never did find it, and it would actually be worth significant money to him in government allowances (he's still living) if I could find the evidence.  All I know is that the ship  starts with C.
That's quite a heritage you've found there, even if your questions aren't all answered!  It will be a wonderful time of year to visit the Caribbean!  Have fun!  Unfortunately a lot of Caribbean libraries are in less than ideal condition and the paper not well preserved, and in a salty damp climate often without air conditioning, but I do hope you will be successful.  I have been in a few of them, just because I like libraries and find it gives a good insight into a place, but was not doing genealogy.
ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot; NB; Westminstr Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN, Peter/Adam - Germany
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER, MAXWELL - Ldn lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol tobacconist, London
WW1 internees

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Re: Frustration re: Merchant Navy
« Reply #26 on: Friday 16 December 05 12:29 GMT (UK) »
It might be worth checking out the National Archives website for your chap. The code for the seaman's papers is BT 372... put that into the appropriate boxes and in the keyword search put the surname and country of birth if not in the UK (otherwise they use town/city names).... not sure whether he would be in the British records, though... Maurice lived in the UK as an adult, though joined up in Barbados... but I think his discharge info is there because he became a UK resident.

I got Maurice's marriage certificate today... Maurice Woodsley Small, able seaman in the merchant service, residing on the S.S. "Tribesman", Brunswick Dock, Liverpool. Son of Branforde Rollins Small, Butler in private service. Maurice was 22 at marriage in October 1955, so the birthdate of November 1932 would be right.

The spelling of Branforde is probably wrong... though whether Maurice's father misspelled it or just Maurice, I don't know... this is the same spelling as Mike's birth certificate (he inherited it as a middle name), but "Brandford" is a surname in Barbados. Mike was always told that his grandfather was a merchant sailor, too... so perhaps he took up bultering when he'd tired of the sea... Mike thinks Brandford was in his 70's or 80's when he last had contact with his father in the 1970's, so it's possible that Brandford was old enough to have retired from merchant service by then.... we're working on the assumption that Brandford was born about 1900, if not before, so it is possible that he served in the merchant fleet in WW1.

Think I'll buy that seaman's pouch now

tara for now

Impy

Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos