any Samuel Fletcher circa 1820 in Derbyshire

[colkitto]

I got it off my CD. I hardly ever look at freereg for Derbyshire is there a lot more on it now?

This Mary is a bit of a dead end too unfortunately. She didn't make it to 1851 & there's no Mary Fletcher of the right age on the Crich baptisms either.

Bah!

[treslade]

I have sent off for some research in the surounding parishes of Wessington, fingers crossed, I will post anything found, and thank you for all the leads.

Lee

[peramar]

Hi

I can confirm that there is a baptism of a Samuel Fletcher in Shirland on 29th August 1825.  Parents William (a labourer) and Ann.  I have checked my CD containing the BMDs for Shirland.

Mary

[treslade]

Thank you for that Mary, can I be cheeky and ask you to look and see if there is an age for him...............most babies where baptized within weeks, but the Samuel Fletcher I'm looking for married in  July 1837 , so I'm hoping he may 2 or 3 for his baptism, otherwise it would make him 12 when he got married, not old enough I think ...............but if the cd doesn't give an age for him them I will see if I can get an original copy of the baptism which may help. Where did you get the cd from?

Kind regards Lee

[peramar]

Hi Lee

I obtained the CD from Val Neal -
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/ValNealCDs.html#Shirland

Unfortunately there are no ages given and I think Val would have put them on the CD if they were recorded. I don't think that this Samuel will be the one you are looking for as William and Ann had many children and their baptisms are recorded at about 2 yearly intervals but just thought that you could rule this Samuel out.
There was a Mary Fletcher baptised 11 August 1816 the daughter of Thomas (a stockinger from Higham) and Mary.  I think Higham is close to Ashover so maybe there is a link there.  I also checked the BMDs for South Wingfield and found no Samuel Fletchers in that parish.

Mary

[treslade]

Hi Mary,

You are very kind to look up the record for me, and I think you are right if Wm and Ann Fletcher had children baptized every 2 years or so, then I think like you he would have been a baby at the time.........The Mary Fletcher you found bapt in 1816, seems worth a look - to see what other children they had......if Elizabeth Fletcher staying with Mrs Mary Brown( nee Fletcher) in the 1841 census was 'our' Elizabeth Fletcher ( nee Wall), then as we have hit a brick wall in other areas, it may be that this Mary had a brother called Samuel...another link for us to follow......

Lee

[peramar]

Hi Lee
Just found the following in the 1851 census and not sure if you have seen it but thought that it was worth sending to you

FLETCHER, Samuel Head Married M 39 1812 Cabinet Maker
 Ripley
Derbyshire VIEW 
FLETCHER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 31 1820
 Heanor
Derbyshire VIEW 
FLETCHER, John Son  M 11 1840 Scholar
 Ripley
Derbyshire VIEW 
FLETCHER, Eliza Daughter  F 9 1842 Scholar
 Ripley
Derbyshire VIEW 
FLETCHER, William Son  M 6 1845 Scholar
 Ripley
Derbyshire VIEW 
FLETCHER, Alfred Son  M 2 1849
 Ripley
Derbyshire VIEW 
MILWARD, Sarah A Visitor Unmarried F 20 1831 Straw Bonnet Maker
 Ripley
Derbyshire VIEW 

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RG number:
HO107  Piece:
2145 Folio:
168 Page:
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Registration District:
Belper Sub District:
Ripley Enumeration District:
2D Ecclesiastical Parish:
 
   
Civil Parish:
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 Address:
Ripley County:
Derbyshire
 
 

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Mary

[treslade]

Thank you Mary, I had seen it but discounted it, Elizabeth Fletcher ( nee Wall) born 1820 is with Thomas Longden in the 1851 census in Sandiacre.
they have William 10yrs, Ann 6yrs, Maria 4yrs, Hannah 2yrs and Ruth 1 month. All under the name of Longdon.

But it's only when you follow Elizabeth /Eliza Wall through her marriage to Samuel in 1836, the census returns and the births of her later children, that you can see where she is in the country, it took some while to find her as a Longden, and confirmed it through plotting her eldest son's progress through the census returns. I believe Eliza was Thomas Longden's common-law-wife, as there is no trace of a marriage between them under any of her names.

The child Ann 6yrs, has her mother as Eliza Longdon formally Fletcher on her birth certificate in Dec q 1844, this is her first child with Thomas, the other children's birth certificates say Eliza Longden, formally Wall.
She is named in her father's will as Eliza Longden in 1856.

William's surnames change over the census years between William Longdon, William Fletcher and William Longden- Fletcher.
I really am gratefull for the help you give and the time you take to search on my behalf, I usually can find a way through a family mystery, but it is getting me at me, because I think, they have to be there...........

Lee