Emma Clarke (Clark)

[dex345]

Help finding the time and place of death of my great grandmother Emma Clarke or (Clark) of Maisemore, Gloucestershire.  She is listed in the 1911 Census of England and Wales as living in the Old Bell House Maisemore and is 69 years of age.  I would like to get her death certificate if I can find the time and place she deceased.  thanks for any information.

[Arranroots]

Hi Dex

Sorry you didn't get a reply to this - I just found it on the wrong board (have moved it now).

Have you tried freebmd to see whether there are any possibilities?

The Forest of Dean website is also very useful, though I am not sure whether Maisemore is covered.

Kind regards, Arranroots 

[danuslave]

Hi Dex

If Emma stayed in Maisemore her death would have been registered in Gloucester.  There are 2 possibles

Emma Clarke   1932  Jan-Feb-Mar  Gloucester  Vol 6a  Page 480
Age at death (estimated):    92

Emma Clarke  1923  Jan-Feb-Mar  Gloucester  Vol 6a  Page 372
Age at death (estimated):    85

As this is not a particularly uncommon name, you might have to resort to getting the certificates to decide if either is the one you want

Linda

[ChasH]

D,

So as Maisemore burials are given in the National Burial Index edition 2 and disc 4 goes up to 2003, I thought, "Great".

But alas, the Maisemore entries stop  in the 1850's and unless Ed. 3 of the NBI  covers Maisemore's later years and some Chatter comes up with the answer, you'll have to buy at least one d-cert.

Regards

Chas

P.S.,

But, there's always hope of a Chatter being a Maisemore inhabitant.   Chas

[halhawk]

I had a look on the Forest of Dean site - no Emma Clark(e) buried at Maisemore, and the only 2 buried elsewhere are not the right age (36 and 42).
While the site is always being added to, there are Maisemore burials up to the 1970's, so it would seem that if buried there, Emma should be on the site.

There is a Joseph Clarke buried there in 1906 - would this be her husband?

halhawk

[drjdrjdrjdrjdrj]

I have information about her daughter (as I first assumed, however see below), Beatrice Emma Clarke, advised to me by a grandson researching his family's history, but he doesn't know where Emma Clarke, her mother, was buried though he notes her husband Joseph died on 25/7/1906 and is buried in Maisemore (though I'd note not in a currently identifiable grave).

Interestingly the 1901 census according to information supplied to me by a local historian lists these people:

1901 Census
Joseph Clarke - aged 38 - Blacksmith - born Maisemore
Emma Clarke - aged 38 - born Kidderminster
Ellen Clarke - aged 16 - Dressmaker
Beatrice Clarke - aged 14

That would put Emma Clarke at 48 in 1911 not 69 as stated in the OP's posting - unless your Emma is the mother of Joseph and had possibly moved in with her son's family between those dates? In which case Beatrice is her granddaughter (she married and moved to Canada) - and the two possibilities of 1923 and 1932 are thus potential dates.

However I've subsequently noticed that my contact said "My Great Great Grandfather was John Clarke and his wife was Ann" - so I'm confused now...

Do you know when and where Emma Clarke, the younger, died?

[drjdrjdrjdrjdrj]

There is a Joseph Clarke buried there in 1906 - would this be her husband?

Other Clarke burials in Maisemore that I've been advised are all earlier:

Ellen Clarke of Maisemore – August 30, 1833 aged 4 years
William Clarke of Maisemore – May 30, 1834 aged 82 years
Charlotte Clarke of Maisemore – January 22, 1855 aged 79 years
Anne Clarke of Maisemore – December 4, 1856 aged 79 years
Mary Ann Clarke of Maisemore – January 21, 1859 aged 1 month
Thomas Clarke of Maisemore – December 5, 1867 aged 63
Catherine Clarke of Maisemore – December 16, 1880 aged 34
John Clarke of Maisemore – February 18, 1884 aged 84
Jane Clarke of Maisemore – December 17, 1884 aged 77
John George Clarke of Maisemore – December 18, 1891 aged 48
Hannah Clarke of Maisemore – November 14, 1896 aged 84
Joseph Clarke of Maisemore – July 28, 1906 aged 64

... and other information suggests there were two Clarke families around during the latter 19C. So if John George Clarke was the father of Joseph Clerk and his wife was Ann, might his sister or sister-in-law been Emma?

The 1851 Census I'm advised lists:

Charlotte Clarke – widow – head of household - aged 73 – on Parish relief – born Tuffley
John Clarke – head of household – married – aged 51 – Blacksmith – born Gloucester St Mary de Lode (this effectively is the church of baptism not the actual birthplace)
Ann Clarke – wife – aged 44
Jane Clarke – daughter – aged 12 – born Maisemore
Joseph Clarke – son – aged 8 – born Maisemore
Ellen Clarke – daughter – aged 6 – born Maisemore
John George Clarke – aged 1 – born Maisemore

... so John George Clarke didn't have a sister called Emma, but did have a brother Joseph Clarke - who might have married an Emma? And then she subsequently moved in with her nephew in 1906 when her husband died?

So that agrees with Halhawk's deduction...

[drjdrjdrjdrjdrj]

Having reread the postings I've made I'm now wondering whether the information I've been supplied with is correct.

The 1851 census info lists a Joseph as 8 meaning he was born around 1842/3 - and that ties in with the death of a Joseph on 25/7/1906, buried 28/7/1906 aged 64. However the 1901 census info notes a Joseph aged 38 - but not the older one who would have been about 59... (perhaps he'd retired elsewhere temporarily?)

Apologies if I've got this all wrong - I've certainly got myself confused...

[halhawk]

However the 1901 census info notes a Joseph aged 38 - but not the older one who would have been about 59... (perhaps he'd retired elsewhere temporarily?)

I've looked at the image of the 1901 census, and I think the age problem is due to the handwriting. The ages could be read as 38, but comparison with the entries of the couple immediately above (50 and 38) show that 58 is correct.