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THE WELSH WORD FOR "TWO" PLEASE
« on: Saturday 09 October 10 23:35 BST (UK) »
My family left Wales for England in the 1400's and their name was either Deulwyn or Daylwyn before they anglicised it to "two-bush" and then to Busshe, Bushe and finally Bush.
They were of the Kidwelly area and my early ancestors were Cadwgan Fawr ap Cadwgan and his wife Alice Cydifor.
I have seen the name written as Deulwyn, Daylwyn and Daulwyn, and I wonder which would be nearest to the Welsh word for TWO - I believe that LLWYN  means BUSH.
Does "DAY" mean anything to do with the word TWO as I have seen an internet site which advertises crests with the Daylwyn/Bushe crest featuring.
I look forward to some clarity on this.
Robin aka King William
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: THE WELSH WORD FOR "TWO" PLEASE
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 October 10 01:22 BST (UK) »
Two in Welsh is Dau in the male form and Dwy in the female.

Katie
WRY - Chambers, Burgin, Green, Bradley, Jefferson, Bates, Widdowson, Vickers; DUR - Brennan; LKS - Conway, McGunnigal; KEN - Harrison; GLA - Thomas, Jones; STI - Conway; SSX - Coleman, Freeman, Jefferson; NTT - Jefferson, Chambers; DBY - Chambers, Smith; NBL - Harrison; TIP - Conway

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Re: THE WELSH WORD FOR "TWO" PLEASE
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 October 10 23:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Robin,
         Katie is correct, but it should be added that in modern Welsh spelling "dau" (pronounced like English die/dye) changes to "deu-" (pronounced like English day) when joined on to another word. "Daylwyn" (pronounced dayloo-in) is a close English approximation to the Welsh "Deulwyn".
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Re: THE WELSH WORD FOR "TWO" PLEASE
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 October 10 23:52 BST (UK) »
Ohh, course it does, 'deuddeg' being an alternative to 'un deg dau' for 'twelve'

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WRY - Chambers, Burgin, Green, Bradley, Jefferson, Bates, Widdowson, Vickers; DUR - Brennan; LKS - Conway, McGunnigal; KEN - Harrison; GLA - Thomas, Jones; STI - Conway; SSX - Coleman, Freeman, Jefferson; NTT - Jefferson, Chambers; DBY - Chambers, Smith; NBL - Harrison; TIP - Conway

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Re: THE WELSH WORD FOR "TWO" PLEASE
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 02:46 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to you all for your very clear answers, now I know exactly what the name means,
Robin
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley
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