Henry JOhn Perry

[heddwch]

Hi there,
I have been trying to find where Henry JOhn Perry was born it states on some census Somerset.
I have recieved his death cert but this doesnt included his place of birth he died age 54 years,
He died  7th Feb 1921 buried in Trealow cemetery.
On the 1911 census he is named as JOhn Perry and his death Certificate.
On his sons Moreland Perry marriage cert and in the 1901 census he is named as Henry John Perry.
I am totally confused.
His father was Charles named on his marriage cert in 1910  to Eliza J Stephens a council worker
Henry/John was a miner.

Has anyone any idea how I can trace Henry/John Perry parents or siblings.
Am stuck.

Thank you so much
Heddwch


 

[osprey]

do you have the reference for the 1901 census where you have found Henry John? The only Henry J I can see gives his place of birth as Priddy in Somerset and has some less than usual names for his children
birth regs
Messina Quebec D L T Perry june qtr 1900 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 574
Karachi Tobago F T T march qtr 1899 vol 11a pg 576
Klander Frinze A T march qtr 1897 vol 11a pg 581

I can see these children in the free index on the 1911 census as a family group. No parents present, but there are younger children including a 4 year old registered as Martha Jane E V M T Perry june qtr 1907 vol 11a pg 611. The younger Perry children in this family overlap with the children in your John's family from the same index, so don't appear to be the same family.

On his marriage cert, what marital status is given for John - bachelor or widower?

What place of birth does the 1911 show for John?

[heddwch]

Hello t here,
John Perry is listed as a batchelor on his marriage cert.

On the 1901 census he is listed as Henry G?Perry age 27 single coal hewer boarder
Also included 
Elizabeth Stephens age 22
The woman he married in 1911.
Also
Mary Powell age 57
William John evans 25
Elizabeth Powell17
Thomas Gettin 26

Living in Primrose street, Tonypandy.

Hope this helps.
Heddwch

[Morganllan]

Hello

There's a Henry John Perry born 1867 (March quarter) which would fit with his age at death.
Bridgewater volume 5c page 457

[osprey]

so the age of Henry on the 1901 census doesn't match the age given for John on the 1911 or his age at death. What age is given on the marriage cert?
How are Eliza's names given on the marriage cert? The Elizabeth Stephens visiting the Powell household in 1901 is enumerated as married. (ref is RG13/5017 folio 130 pg 13). FreeBmd have the marriage indexed under Stephens & Rowlings, which may explain the stepson from 1911.
Elizabeth in 1901 is enumerated as born in Cornwall. From using the free index on the 1911, John doesn't show up as born in Somerset, and there isn't an Elizabeth Perry born Cornwall that shows up either. 

Does the address on the marriage cert match that from the 1901 census?

[osprey]

replying to info sent by pm, the places of birth from 1901 & 1911 don't match either then.
Have you tried tracing the stepson to see who he was with in 1901? Or the 10 year old from 1911?
The 1901 & 1911 entries really don't seem to match which puts doubt on the place of birth as 1911 gives Glamorgan.

 

[heddwch]

Hello there,The age on his marrage cert is 43 years Bachelor he married 12th September 1910 lving in 55 Concret houses Dinas Rhondda.(the same address of the 1911 census)
His wife was Eliza Jane Stephens, formerly Rowlings, condition was The divorced wife of JOhn Stephens she was 32 years
They had their children prior to their marriage.
Heddwch

[osprey]

well, wasn't expecting that - surprising to find a divorce at that time. Have you tried to get hold of the divorce documents to see if there any clues there?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53&j=1

Do the names of the witnesses to the marriage hold any clues?

There is a John Perry with father Charles on the 1871 census in Aberdare, but no guaranteee they're yours. RG10/5410 folio 144 pg 27.

 

[heddwch]

Good morning,
The witnesses on the marriage cert are bride - Mary Ann Davies, also on the death cert of JOhn Perry the informer was H Davies sister in law 11 glamorgan terrace Penrhiwfer.
The witness on the groom cert was Ernest Hailstone.

The 1871 census sounds promising Could you let me see it please.

Another mystery is on the internment cert for JOhn Perry it was the son Edward Perry,
There wasn`t an Edward Perry born, only EDward Rowlings/Rawlings as on the 1911 census.
If his father was JOhn Stephens the divorced husband of Eliza Rowlings why was the sons name not Stephens.
Perhaps John adopted Edward.
He was known as Ted in the family and the freind I am searching his tree for remembers him.

Thanks
Heddwch