Fleet Registers

[Susan41]

Hello,

Has anyone used these registers?

There is a pay-to-view website in conjunction with the National Archives.  Has anyone used it to purchase credits and view images?

I see on Ancestry and FamilySearch Beta  that a Peter Sandiford married Sarah Clifton 30 Apr 1746 Westminster; source being RG7 - Fleet Registers - William Wyatt, 1745-1747.

I am looking for a Peter Sandiford who consented to the marriage of minor Elizabeth Lloyd Sandiford to John Russell 12 Jul 1773 at St. Bride Fleet Street; Elizabeth being born about 1752.

I am guessing that St. Bride Fleet Street is in the vicinity of where these Fleet Register marriages occurred.

Any information, thoughts, suggestions, etc. appreciated.

Susan

[Valda]

Hi

Fleet marriages took place around the Fleet prison which was in  Farringdon Street, on the eastern bank of the Fleet River (now an underground river). Fleet Street like Farringdon Street are in the area of the City of London.

Westminster is to the west of the City of London (now called the square mile). In 1746 this would be all London officially was. Westminster was in the county of Middlesex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster

The 1746 marriage on BMD registers is referenced to RG7/217 and 222 (Registrar General series at The National Archives)
which is the Registers of Clandestine Marriages and of Baptisms in the Fleet Prison, King's Bench Prison, the Mint and the May Fair Chapel

Because the Family Search site states the marriage took place in Westminster the likeliest of the places listed is May Fair Chapel in Westminster. As these marriages are held at The National Archives they are not part of the digitalisation programme Ancestry is undertaking with London Metropolitan Archives and the Guildhall Library to put online images of parish registers held by them.

A marriage pre 1754 usually holds little detail. e.g.

http://www.british-genealogy.com/parish-registers/marriage-registers-before-1754b.html

It is not until 1754 (with the law that ended clandestine marriages) that witness names were required.

The 1773 marriage was by licence. Peter Sandiford was a witness. When you say he consented to the marriage (because Elizabeth was a minor) do you mean you have a copy of the marriage licence which states he was the one who gave his consent to the marriage taking place? If so the licence should also give his relationship to the bride and her age. By tradition a marriage took place in the bride's parish but parish residency was only a  three week requirement.


There is a baptism of a daughter of Peter Sandiford at Christchurch Southwark all in February 1757. His wife maybe called Sarah - the register is damaged and just the first two letters of her name appear. The child appears to be called ?arriot (probably Harriot), Rara?, Frances, Harland Jack?
Peter Sandiford is described as a gent - gentleman.

Burial
2nd January 1830 St Peter Walworth Southwark
Elizabeth Lloyd Russell aged 78, St Leonard Shoreditch


Regards

Valda

[Susan41]

The 1773 marriage was by licence. Peter Sandiford was a witness. When you say he consented to the marriage (because Elizabeth was a minor) do you mean you have a copy of the marriage licence which states he was the one who gave his consent to the marriage taking place? If so the licence should also give his relationship to the bride and her age. By tradition a marriage took place in the bride's parish but parish residency was only a  three week requirement.


There is a baptism of a daughter of Peter Sandiford at Christchurch Southwark all in February 1757. His wife maybe called Sarah - the register is damaged and just the first two letters of her name appear. The child appears to be called ?arriot (probably Harriot), Rara?, Frances, Harland Jack?
Peter Sandiford is described as a gent - gentleman.

Burial
2nd January 1830 St Peter Walworth Southwark
Elizabeth Lloyd Russell aged 78, St Leonard Shoreditch

Hello Valda,

Thank you for the very detailed and very helpful response.

Elizabeth Lloyd Russell bur 2 Jan 1830 St Peter Walworth Surrey is indeed the lady I am researching.

I have posted the marriage image here

www.werelate.org/images/4/4d/John_Russell_Marriage1773.jpg

Actually it does not say Peter Sandiford gave consent I assumed he gave consent as he was the only family witness, the other witness was the clerk. It does say Elizabeth Lloyd Sandiford was a minor.

The bapt. of children of Peter and Sarah Sandiford in 1757 is very interesting as one daughter appears to be Harriot and John & Elizabeth Lloyd (Sandiford) Russell named their first daughter Harriot Elizabeth Russell.

Google searches are now turning up a Peter Sandiford who was connected to the Court of Chancery in this time period. Presumably this occupation would qualify for the identification "gentleman."

Thank you again.

Susan