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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #54 on: Monday 25 October 10 04:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Jared
the scottish board would know best about this.
Maybe immigration was less formalised because of the closeness to Europe...like some of my Irish who go back and forth to Scotland..no records.

You have achieved alot
What about on specialist Russian genie sites..a google will find some

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Althea

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #55 on: Monday 25 October 10 08:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Jared,

Would you like me to move this topic to the Scotland Board to see if anyone can help? This would save you telling the story anew.

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #56 on: Monday 25 October 10 09:18 BST (UK) »
I've posted there in one of the County sections... maybe it's ok to leave it here.

Thanks though,

Jared

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #57 on: Monday 25 October 10 10:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Jared
there probably isn't anthing more from a NZ angle is there?
is the thread complete?
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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #58 on: Monday 25 October 10 11:03 BST (UK) »
Yes, I'd agree with you there. Unless we figure out when they left NZ, but it seems that would fall into Australian waters... so yep, complete  :)

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #59 on: Monday 25 October 10 11:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Jared,

This is a fascinating story. I was wondering if could you explain the definition of 'anarchist' as it related to Philip Joseph's political philosophy in context of the late 1890-1910's. What were the goals of such individuals?

And I think most of us would love to know the ending of Philip Joseph's story once you find out.

Regards, and good hunting,

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #60 on: Monday 25 October 10 19:53 BST (UK) »
Good question! I'll try and explain some of the lingo, and then relate it to Josephs.

Anarchism is the belief that no one should have the power to control or exploit another. Within anarchist thought there are variations, from the individualist who believes in complete freedom (from both society and obligation), to what is called 'social anarchists' — anarchists who would be considered socialists (collective ownership of resources etc). What makes a social anarchist different from a socialist is her/his belief that hierarchy, as well as Capitalism, is oppressive. In this sense, social anarchists refute the need for a state or any kind of government (including a Communist State such as Russia, China or Cuba). Instead, the principles of bottom-up decision making (direct democracy), the freedom to work and live collectively (free association) and self-organisation on a grassroots level is paramount. The state would be replaced by free units of workers (producers) and communities (consumers), joined together (federated) through delegates, answerable to the community from which they came, and recallable at any time.

Josephs falls into this camp. The literature he distributed, the talks he gave as part of the New Zealand Socialist Party's economic classes, and the nature of the group he helped found seem to indicate this. In 1906 at a May Day celebration, Josephs moved:

"that this meeting sends it fraternal greetings to our comrades engaged in the universal class war, and pledges itself to work for the abolition of the capitalistic system and the substitution in New Zealand of a co-operative commonwealth, founded on the collective of the land and the means of production and distribution." (Evening Post, May 7, 1906).

In another talk he decried the fact that anarchism was misunderstood and associated with violence.

So it seems Jospehs worked with and in the New Zealand labour movement during it's most turbulent years (the Blackball Strike of 1908, the Waihi Strike of 1912 and the Great Strike of 1913). The 'Freedom Group' which he co-founded was formed around the 1913 strike, and while that lasted about a year, Josephs continued distributing books and literature throughout the First World War.

However by this time the climate for radicals was far from peachy. In October 1915 the military Censor in charge of monitoring correspondence noticed Josephs was receiving anarchist mail from the USA. On his advice, and the opinion of Sir John Salmond (Solicitor-General of NZ), further correspondence was censored, his offices raided and the names of other anarchists were found.

Rootschat and all you wonderful people on it has helped me pinpoint when he arrived in New Zealand, where he was before that, and given me names of his family (and more). This kind of information will help me as I try to understand what made Josephs an anarchist, when he became radicalised, and what happened to him from the 1920's onwards. Well, hopefully!

Jared Davidson

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #61 on: Monday 25 October 10 22:55 BST (UK) »
I've just spotted a Tree on Ancestry which includes Philip Josephs, it states he died in Katoomba, New South Wales but no year listed. His wife Sophia (Heller) Josephs' death is listed as Australia, again no date.

Now here's where you may be able to contact a living relative...

The tree goes down through his daughter Jeannie, her death is shown as 6 Feb 1970 Hamilton, New Zealand.  Her husband was Waddington Hansen Garvey, b. 10 April 1879 Waikaia, Southland, New Zealand and he died Oct 1972 Hamilton, New Zealand.  There are 3 "living" Garvey children listed, obviously no details as they are still living.

There are no sources for the above information so I can't guarantee the accuracy.  The only "sourced" info is the 1901 Scotland census, which by coincidence they saved to their tree only yesterday so they are currently working on this family.

Jared, would you like me to contact the tree owner and direct them to this thread, or maybe give them your e-mail address?

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Re: NZ's first anarchist? Research help on Philip Josephs
« Reply #62 on: Monday 25 October 10 23:11 BST (UK) »
Jool, please do, that would be amazing! NSW is where his son died.

Thanks again, you're very good at this!

Jared