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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 12 February 11 07:57 GMT (UK) »
as for the cecilia  and her marriages, i just coppied word for word from a typed up paper i found in J H Morgans messy garage.. I thought i was lucky to find it.. lol he's a horder. wonder if that runs in the family... lol amounst other things

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 12 February 11 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alicia,.

I am James Andrew Morgan's grandaughter - Martin and James were brothers!!!! So Martin was my Great Uncle..  I have been wanting to get info on Martin - you are my link - brilliant.
As for hording - YES it runs in the family - thankfully .LOL I  am good at it, but....only the good stuff like family history- which has been a great asset.  Can you contact me on  (*) for further details - can't wait to share.

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #29 on: Monday 21 March 11 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chatters,

Well, the Newgate Prison Register PCOM 2/201 has now been searched - and here is the result:

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Frederick Henry
20
5/7 fairbrohaz Stouth.
St. Martins
Labourer
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A photo of the record is being sent to me - but apparently, that means 5 ft 7 in, fair complexion, brown hair and hazel eyes, stoutish.

Nothing new there - but a *Labourer* (when his Convict Indent says Actor, Hatter (3 years) and Clerk.

St. Martins is probably St. Martins in the Fields - and there is no Frederick HENRY baptized there, in or around the right date. So, some more sleuthing needed ... was he Frederick someone else, and his mother remarried? Or, so I need to sift through *all* the males baptized in that parish at about the right time, looking for one who has disappeared.

(Not married, not buried, not found in the 1841 Census).

So, progress of a sort - but the puzzle continues  :)

Cheers,


Lesley
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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #30 on: Monday 21 March 11 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi


Labourer can be used at this time as a catch all generalistic term - a member of the labouring classes.


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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Cecilia McGowan remarried after Fredericks death. her death was originally reported as a murder? she dropped dead outside the Marquis of Lorn in Peel Street Tamworth. there was an inquest held and the official finding was "death from excessive drinking". her husband married the "household help" the month following Cecilia's death

Elizabeth and John Morgan are also my great grandparents

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 12:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alyssa,

Funny, that you have come up with exactly the same results, *including*the Marriage Cert that I bought and scanned in for another researcher on 18 January last  ;D

You have just made one small error - it was the Marquis of *Lorne* Hotel (not the Marquis of Lorn).

But I guess that is microscopic, in the scale of things - where we have Fred as both a convict and *not* a convict at the same time ... indeed, a policeman and a good pal of Thomas COOK, J.P., who attended his wedding at the Dungog Court House.

Ah, call me old fashioned ... but I happen to believe that research should be more than just cobbling together *any* bits of paper with the words Frederick HENRY written on them. Things like engaging your necktop computer in the proceedings - and at least acknowledging the sources of particular items of research, so that you don't make the oops! of announcing it back to the source as something you yourself have found.

(And, presumably, paid for)  ;D

Cheers,


Lesley



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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Leslie

A member of ancestry sent me the info on Cecilia and I went back to records and got the coroners report to ensure that is was true.

I am in awe of your work, it is fabulous to see that you take a piece of information and just delve so far into it.

It is incredibly time consuming and expensive isn't it. I have bought so many birth death and marriage certificates and I end up having gone off on the wrong tangent.
it appears that many people doing their ancestry project just grab a fact and run with it, one wrong name or fact then it is all "corrupted"

Shame another person on the forum is only willing to give their information privately though, what can be so bad that you wouldn't share almost ancient family history.

Regards

Ally

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Allyssa on Tuesday 14 February 12 20:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks Leslie

A member of ancestry sent me the info on Cecilia and I went back to records and got the coroners report to ensure that is was true.

I am in awe of your work, it is fabulous to see that you take a piece of information and just delve so far into it.

It is incredibly time consuming and expensive isn't it. I have bought so many birth death and marriage certificates and I end up having gone off on the wrong tangent.
it appears that many people doing their ancestry project just grab a fact and run with it, one wrong name or fact then it is all "corrupted"

Shame another person on the forum is only willing to give their information privately though, what can be so bad that you wouldn't share almost ancient family history.

Regards

Ally

Hi there,

May I presume that this would be Mrs Oldham's death, April 1881 registered in the NSWBDM's district of Tamworth (#10687) ? You could post on the Australian RChat board and receive lots of helpful advice and assistance  ;)

Re you question about sharing information privately only, and your suggestion that there could be something so bad that you wouldn't share almost ancient family history.    In my view there are many reasons for not uploading family history information to any website.  It usually has nothing to do with the "bad" or the "good" of the ancestors.  It is usually to do with ensuring that you are not providing details that lead to identifying living persons.  In Australia living persons have a lawful expectation to privacy. 

Here's the link to the RChat main Australian Board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,165.0.html


I hope you are not offended by my butting in on your conversation.  I was using the RChat search option to look for recent posts re Peel Street Tamworth.

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Re: My elusive convict Frederick HENRY b. 1809
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 23:35 GMT (UK) »
No probs with your comment. I understand the privacy issues completely, my comment actually said" ancient family history", just if we are all searching for the same info, why would a contributor ask for help with info and then not be kind enough to share what they have for the benefit of all

Cheers

Ally
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