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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 24 December 20 15:53 GMT (UK) »
"Ubberley Hall Farm home of the Forresters and ancient house of the Allens"

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #55 on: Monday 25 January 21 21:28 GMT (UK) »
This is from" Bucknall to Cellerhead through time"

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 26 January 21 14:59 GMT (UK) »
I have added a plan

which I think comes from your theory
There are just so many of these John FORESTER combinations.
           BUT
 there is a good chance it is correct.
I have put a yellow circle round the possible placement of "Launders bank JOHN FORESTER" in this plan.

What does make sense is that his fist male child gets the name William - which is is a traditional thing to do. Named after his own Father.

See what you think.

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 27 January 21 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Here is the incrusted headstone of Hugh FORRESTER.


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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 27 January 21 14:01 GMT (UK) »
And with some ivy pulled away.


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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 17:01 GMT (UK) »
I have been trying to establish a location for Stoke Hall as named in the will of Gervas FFORRESTER in 1743.
He describes himself as Yeoman.

This is the best I can find in the parish of Stoke upon Trent.


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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 18:10 GMT (UK) »
That is I think correct for Stoke Hall and that Gervis may have been a tenant farmer there?
A history of the county of Stafford  1963 has this useful bit of info-
" The moated parsonage-house was known in the 19th century as Stoke Hall and lay south of the church beyond the road to Fenton.  This house, or another house on the same site, was in existence by the mid-15th century as the residence of James Moseley, the rector's proctor.  Occupied by the curate at the beginning of the 17th century,  the hall was again the rector's home in 1666 when John Mainwaring (rector 1633–92) was taxable on eight hearths there.  It was in the hands of a tenant-farmer in 1818 and of the curate c. 1828 after the demolition of the curate's house in the churchyard.  'A truly shabby house' by this time, it was repaired in 1829 out of money raised by the sale of tithes and glebe,  and was again occupied by the curate in 1851, the rector being non-resident (Stoke Hall farm was then held by a tenant. The rector had been living at the Hall in 1834).  Sir Lovelace Tomlinson Stamer  lived there until 1864 when Cliffville, the house built by John Tomlinson in 1810 on an estate of 70 acres near Hartshill, was acquired as the rectory house along with 20 acres of land. New streets were being laid out over part of the estate in 1877.  The hall was evidently let until 1891.  It was then demolished and tramway offices and sheds, now the P.M.T. offices and garage, were built on the site, while more streets were laid out over the estate during the next few years."

 It might be interesting to see if there are any tenant records in the archives for Stoke Hall /St Peters rectory. On at least the 1900 map it is called the Rectory before being replaced by the "Omnibus Depot"

From potteries org  "This map is undated but it is between 1800 and 1826..   The church and the rector's house (Stoke Hall) stood on moated sites which provided protection not only from attackers but also from the river which periodically flooded the meadow land in the valley bottom. "

 

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Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 02 February 21 19:11 GMT (UK) »
This is cracking information and would fit precisely with the inventory of Goods and Chattels
in the possession of Gervas FFORRESTER when he died.

I am sure that the "Gentleman" of Stoke Hall would not have Pewter plates, Oxen, Twinters and bags of oats listed amongst his prize possessions.

But certainly for a tenant farmer or Yeoman these would be the stock in trade.

I will admit to having  placed too much credence with the "Jacobite John 1723" theory.
I am now more of a full Staffordshire heritage. I am going with FORESTER as the main name which became FORRESTER overtime.



( I don't think Sophie is reading anymore, otherwise she would have chirped up)

 P.S I love that word TWINTER
it stands for a beast which has survived two winters.


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Gervas FFORRESTER Stoke Hall Yeoman
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 03 February 21 11:49 GMT (UK) »
This is part of a painting by Henry Lark PRATT. 1805 - 1873
     View of Stoke from Penkhul.
Henry is buried at St Peter's.

If Stoke Hall was standing I have marked the possible spot.