Deloche family 1891 - missing?!

[flutterbymusic]

First of all, I'm new! So sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong area!

Have been looking up my great grandmother Isabella Deloche and her family and have struggled to find them in the 1891 census.

First of all, you've probably thought that Deloche is a very uncommon name - and you're right to think so. These Deloche's seem to be the only family in England at the time with the surname after My 3rd Great Granfather Constantine Deloche an his wife moved here from Faucigny, Savoy, France. You would think that would make things easier. However, so far I've found them under De loche, Delocke, De Loch, Delache and all sorts. The likeliness is this specific census record is not missing but simply misspelt so badly it wont turn up! So, its a challenge for you all to help me with, please!

Records already found:

1881 England Census
Frederick De Loche 26 Married Stationers Assistant Soho
39 Castle St. Southwark St George Martyr
Johanna De Loche    28
William J. De Loche    4
Mary Ann De Loche    3
Frederick P. De Loche    

1901 England Census St Saviour Southwark
Frederick Delache [Frederick Deloche] 45 Westminster, Ireland (ireland is a mistake)
Rose Delache    37
John Delache    18
Isabelle R Delache    13
Thomas F Delache    12
Charles H Lowe    12

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Inbetween these two dates, Johanna Deloche (nee Sheely) unfortunately died and Frederick remarried, which is why I really want to see the other record as it was just before her death. Also because it will be Isabella's first census record.

Any help much appreciated! Tell me if you need any other information.

Sasha 

P.S, I found Frederick's brother Peter very easily along with his wife and child, so I don't need them!

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

I'm just going to post the 1881 details you have given above in a more readable format then I'll check the 1891 for you.  What year was Isabella born and who did Frederick marry

All children b Westminster Rd

Frederick De Loche 26 b Soho stationers assistant
Johanna 28 b Camberwell
William J  4
Mary Ann 3
Frederick P 9 months
RG11 Piece 522 Folio 43 Page 17

EDIT - just found re-marriage 1895 to Rose Lowe

[CaroleW]

This is the 1901 entry which may help with finding them in 1891 as 2 children were born after 1881

Indexed as Delache - 1895 marriage transcription on London marriages also shows Delache

Frederick Deloche 45 b Westminster - notepaper cutter
Rose  37 b Pimlico
John 18 b Southwark
Isabelle R 13 b Southwark
Thomas F   12 b Westminster
Charles H Lowe 12 stepson b Westminster
RG13 Piece 380 Folio 94 Page 75

[flutterbymusic]

Sorry about how untidy it looked!

Can I just say, thank you so much for the heads up about the marriage document. I hadn't found Rose's, just Johannas, and so thanks to you I know now her original surname before her first marriage was Jackson due to her fathers name!

Isabella was born in 1887.

Thanks,

Sasha

[CaroleW]

Johanna only died in 1892 so 1891 entry should include her

Johanna Deloche aged 39 Dec qtr 1892  St Saviour Southwark (Surrey) 1d   13 

[CaroleW]

Well - they either don't want to be found in 1891 or they are transcribed as something that looks nothing like their surname

I've tried searching just using their christian names but no joy there

[Annette7]

Have found Johanna and 3 children in 1891 but Frederick not with her, nor Isabella.

Have been transcribed as De Poche??

1891 - 7 Minto Street, Bermondsey, London

Johanna Deloche   Marr.   38                  b. St. Giles
William J. Deloche  Son     14   Printers Asst.    b. Lambeth
Mary A. Deloche     Dau.    12                               ditto
John Deloche         Son       8                             b. Southwark

So, where were Frederick and Isabella?

As an aside, have you found Isabella's birth entry as I can't find it anywhere?

Annette

[CaroleW]

Excellent find Annette.  I see the birthplaces have changed yet again

I couldn't find a birth reg for Isabella R either

1891 should also have a 2yr old son Thomas

[Annette7]

Afraid I've now opened up a can of worms.

First, CaroleW, son Thomas only 2 in 1901, not 12 (and his baptism recorded in London baptisms) so not around in 1891.

Secondly, think I have found Frederick and Isabella although you might not think so at first.

On 1901 Census Isabella shown as born Southwark (1911 states Westminster).  Not having any luck searching for a likely Isabella born Southwark I then looked for Isabella's born Westminster.  An Isabella R. Williams came up and an  Isabella Rosina Williams birth was registered Sept.qtr.1887 St. George Hanover Square.
Looked at 1891 Census and then couldn't believe my eyes:

1891 - 139 Regency Street, St. Margaret & St. John the Evangelist, Westminster (ref.RG12 - 78 - 207 - 68)

Frederick Williams  Head  35   Stationers Assistant      b. Westminster
Isabella Williams    Wife   30    Laundry Woman           b. East Moseley, Surrey
William H. Williams  Son    11                                        b. Westminster
Alice J. Williams       Dau.     7                                        b. Southwark
Isabella R. Williams Dau.     3                                        b. Westminster
Albert E. Elliott   brother in law    18                              b. Westminster

As you can see, apart from the surname all the details match Frederick Deloche.

Did some digging and, as Albert's surname indicates, Isabella was born Isabella Elliott and in 1877 at Westminster married a Charles Williams.   You can find them on the census in 1881 on RG11 - 119 - 24 - 41.    Charles' age, birthplace and occupation do not match the details given for Frederick Williams in 1891.   

So, it looks like Frederick Deloche had separated from wife Johanna sometime between 1881 and 1891 and that daughter Isabella Rosina was his daughter with Isabella Williams (nee Elliott).   Why he has 'adopted' the name Williams I can't say unless Isabella was the informant to the enumerator and gave his name as such.   I'm assuming at this stage that Isabella was Frederick's daughter with Isabella Williams as I can't think he'd claim her as his daughter in 1901 if she'd simply been Isabella's daughter and not his.   

Checked this backwards and forwards and there is no Frederick Williams that fits the 1891 entry plus evidence shows Isabella's husband was actually a Charles Williams bc.1855/6 Chelsea and there's a possible death entry in 1885.   If that is him he couldn't have fathered Isabella Rosina leaving Frederick the likely candidate.

Only way to confirm if Frederick is the father would be to get Isabella Rosina Williams birth certificate.

Will leave you to digest (it takes some doing).

Annette