BOWDEN - NSW, VIC, SA & QLD

[aniph]

I agree with Sue

[judb]

Judith, what does it mean when it names the Groom's father as  a 'gentleman'? does this mean he was higher up in society?

Also on the grooms side of the family, why would John's father have a different last name? I know Agnes (his mother) was married to a John Williams... does this mean he was illegitimate? 

"Gentleman" usually means he doesn't have to work and is living on private means - perhaps he has shares or inherited money, or is retired.  Obviously he would see himself as a step higher than a person who has to work!

I think the "Goodenough" is his second name so his full name is John Goodenough WILLIAMS.  You often find second names of ancestors are from surnames of their parents/grandparents or close friends etc.  For example one of my ancestors is John Midlane DYER - Midlane was his mother's maiden name.  It can be handy at times when trying to identify ancestors

[judb]

This looks as though it could be the parent WILLIAMS marriage:
Agnes Bowman = John Williams
1863 Victoria, registration number 638

Judith

[ashleighn19]

Sorry to go back over stuff,  but does anyone know where I could find where this daughter was born?

This appears to be another child's death in NSW


REG. 594 In 1865  BOWEDEN (sic)  ANNIE
father  SAMUEL S.
mother  ANNIE
at  SYDNEY.

Sue   

[sparrett]

I am not able to see a recorded birth for the child in QLD or NSW.


https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

They are the only states I have looked at,

A copy of the certificate of death would show all you want to learn.

Sue

[judb]

The baby who died on board ship is a bit hard to find.  The child was listed as 10 months old on the death index shown on the Qld BMD but we don't know the exact date of death.  The ship left England in June and ariived in Queensland in October 1863 so it is possible that the child was born between September 1862 and January 1863. It would seem  probable that the child was born in England.

Free BMD has lots of BOWDEN births in that time; you would need information from the certificate to find the child. 


Judith

[sparrett]

The exact date of registration of the death of infant ANNIE was 15th OCTOBER 1863.

Same month as the ship's arrival.

The death was recorded in both QLD and NSW

Sue

[sparrett]

It may be a possibility to look for the couple, ANN and SAM on census 1861.  They were married in Bristol in 1858, perhaps they were enumerated there too.

If they were located  may give some hints about previous children as I think it is a bit unusual to be married 4 or 5 years and no offspring.

I am not at all good at census lookups.

Sue

[judb]

However we don't know what the death date was    Where else did this ship call?  The child could have been born anywhere I suppose, especially if he was a seaman.  As you say, there is quite a gap (for the time) between the marriage (1858) and the birth of this child (1862/3) so I wonder if there were earlier child/ren?

Sue, I couldn't find them  when I looked before but will try just for Annie - perhaps he was at sea

QLD Immigration has this info - at least we have a birth year for Annie now - 1841/2, Samuel 1829/30

BOWDEN Annie     22 Rockhampton 13 Oct 1863 IMM/112 169 Z1957 M1696
BOWDEN Samuel  34 Rockhampton 13 Oct 1863
BOWDEN Samuel       Rockhampton 13 Oct 1863

I know there was a comment about this before but it is just possible that the second Samuel may be a child.

Judith