Wrong baptism all along.

[coombs]

Hi Auber and Richard

Samuel Auber was NOT born in 1754. He was born in 1750 and baptised in 1750 son of Samuel and Susanna.

He died in Dec 1827 in his late 70s. Maybe Mary was sent to jail and Samuel remarried bigamously in 1743 to Judith Barham but maybe as you said there was a Susan woman but Judith could have been Susan but she disguised her first name to help save face. The record says Samuel was a weaver of Shoreditch and Judith a spinster of Spitalfields. Good hunch of yours Richard and a likely theory. We need to find more on Mary and when she was banged up.

Ben

[richarde1979]

Hi Ben

Samuels burial gives a death age 79, so birth date around 1748, but I think he must be the one baptised 1750, as you know burial ages arn't always particularly accurate.

Re "Judith Barham", looking at the original Fleet entry I think it actually reads "Judith Durham".

[coombs]

I think we have solid on the right baptism for Samuel Jnr. That is settled. Ages at burials were not always accurate plus in 1750 they still used to old calendar until 1752. 2 years out is neither here not there really.

I wonder if we could research a Susan or Judith Durham.

[richarde1979]

Susanah Durham     Christening     18 Jun 1722     St Giles Cripplegate, London     Thomas,
Jane

Possible? Can't find a Judith.

[coombs]

Susanah Durham     Christening     18 Jun 1722     St Giles Cripplegate, London     Thomas,
Jane

Possible? Can't find a Judith.

I was just about to post the same thing. I cannot seem to find a likely burial for her or marriage in the LMA records on Ancestry. A Susan Durham was baptised in 1721 in Bermondsey but it looks like she died as a child.

Ben

[coombs]

I found a Samuel Obay admitted to St Thomas Hospital in 1784 on London Lives of Virginia Row, Bethnal Green.

[Auber]

Hi Everyone,

Well I've found the CD-Roms on the Society website CD 1 looks good, has anyone looked at the natualisation records to see what they say? I realise I am coming late to this so apologies if this sounds silly!!

[richarde1979]

Hi Ben, that is interesting that record of Samuel. Samuel 1750 was in Shoreditch at that time. Perhaps it is the father? Is there any more detail to the record?

Auber, I have checked the denisations and naturaliastions. Gabriel Obe was one of the Huguenots who were granted Naturalisation on the roll of 1709, he appears as "THE MARK OF GABRIEL OWBY (AUBE)." So he was not literate. Jean Auber and his wife Rachel Hue were also naturalised on this roll, as well as Daniel Auber Jean's cousin. These last three are part of the Bolbec Aubers who came in 1687.

No more information for us than that really.

[richarde1979]

There is a burial, Sarah Obay    8 Mar 1726 St Dunstan and All Saints. I think this may be Tobie and Jane's daughter b 1722. It has been transcribed as dau of James, but there is no James Auber/Obay having children at that point, I think it should read dau of Jane (the image is very faded). This makes sense because we know Tobie was away at sea. Also of interest this is clearly the burial of a child, but it does have 'pen' on the end, so pen does not mean pensioner as we suspected, of if it does not in the sense of an old aged pensioner.