Hannah Maria Pilbeam c 1783

[netgrrl79]

Don't know where this would fit in to your Pilbeams, jacqueline, but there were a couple of them (Stephen aged 26 and William aged 20, both born in Burwash) living with and working for my 2x gt grandparents George and Emily Coleman on the 1881 at the Smith's Shop in Northiam, Sussex - Class: RG11; Piece: 1019; Folio: 64; Page: 15.

Katie

[jacqueline cox]

Thanks Deb,
 I did not get notification of your last, and saw it only when I was notified of that from
Katie
thanks Katie, I suspect they all came from Burwash or thereabouts at first.
Now Deb
Sarah, Mary Ann, Anna Maria, which we have baptisms for, Sarah married William Dean, Mary Ann married George Mears, Anna Maria married Henry Cox all before he died ,  then the missing "unbaptised" ones.
Elizabeth, James, Phoebe Parker (unless she married a Parker before she married Charles Ffreath(!) before Edward died), Harriet Matilda (married James Talbot before Edward died), Robert, Lucy (I think, very hard to read), Sophia, Charles, Caroline, William and George born c. 1803ish (1841 census). I have found marriages for all the "unbaptised" ones except Robert.
You get to be a gent by inheriting or marrying a bit of money, or a house! He died a Farmer and cowkeeper with a property leased between himself and his son in law Sarah's husband William Dean.

[janan]

I'm wondering if the 1786 marriage to Elizabeth Pollard is a second one for Edward and there is an earlier marriage somewhere to another Elizabeth? Of course it may be that they just married after they'd had several children.

Jan

Added - forget my wonderings, must be the latter as he says bachelor

[jacqueline cox]

Surely you must have ancestors  who left it a bit (or a lot) late getting to the altar? I have stacks of them. I have one, my gtx2 grandmother, who had 2 children with "no fathers" followed by about 10 whoall had the father but they were not married. They got married when she was pregnant again and he died 6 months later of TB. I imagine he saw it coming and "made an honest woman of her" before he died. The posthumous baby died. Then she got a(nother) husband and had another baby...phew. Ofter marriages were delayed because one of the parters was already married and ordinary people could not afford the legal processes (Private Member of Parliament Bill) to get a divorce. Some men "sold" their wives to her next fella for eg a sixpence in public eg with a halter round her neck, to the market place, so everyone could see and know that it was "official" even though it had no validity in law. Poor man's divorce! In Edward's case I don't know and probably never will. There was a time in the 1788s-early 90s when it cost a lot to pay for the entry in the Parish Register and some people put it off till this tax was removed about 1793 if I remember rightly.

[jacqueline cox]

PS don't believe a word they say to the vicar!

[janan]

Hi

Yes I have loads who left it late, some who had children by different father's before marriage, one who said he was a bachelor but I do wonder and a couple for whom I never have found a marriage at all, but I also have one who married two Sally's so thought it worth considering.

Jan

[deb usa]

Hi

another possible marriage for Edward's children:
12 Sep 1847
Bethnal Green, St James the Less
George Pillbeam, widower, lab, father Edward Pillbeam Farmer
to
Sarah Susan Smythers, spinster, father Thomas Smythers, wheelwright

deb

[jacqueline cox]

Thanks Deb. You are very kind!