watson/Mphillips

[womud]

sorry Francis death date would be between 1855 and 1861

[womud]

Just checked the Marriage certificate of Francis to Ellen Mcphillips and it definatley says his fathers name was william and he was a keelman but deceased which does not tie in with the name on the cesus...am I going insane or am I tracing the wrong line......the more I find out the more I find out I don't know.  Any help would be appreciated.

[CaroleW]

Hi

See my reply above

How do you know his mother was Eleanor?

[womud]

from the 1851 and 1861 census

[CaroleW]

Sorry - but your reply does not make sense.  This is your opening post

I am trying to find francis Watsons family.  Francis was born around 1843 his mothers name was Ellenor and on his marriage certificate his father is listed as william

  (we now now that you gave the wrong birthyear and it should be 1847/48)

You then mention finding him on the 1881-1911 censuses but no mention of anything earlier.  Your post gives the impression you cannot find him with his family on earlier censuses hence the request

The 1861 entry I found had a mother Eleanor - but she was a widow

I could not find him with a mother Eleanor and a father William in 1851 which is why I asked how you knew his mother was Eleanor

Are you just assuming it was Eleanor?

 

[womud]

Sorry Carole, I appreciate your time in helping me.
Sorry for the confusion.  Maybe I an making assumptions after 20 years of looking we sometimes get into a mind set.
In the 1851 census I have a Frances married to an Eleanor who have a son John, Frances and a daughter Mary Ann.  This Frances is a Waterman which all ties into the 1861 census where Eleanor is a widow. 
In the 1881 Census a few doors away to francis (frank) there is a Ellen Watson living a widow who is a char lady.
Do you think I an on the wrong track?
This side of the family has lead me a marry dance, now with new info coming together it is helpful.
I have found a Willian Watson marrying a hannah but have dismissed it maybe this is the line I need to follow.
Thank you for being a sounding board, a fresh perspective is always help ful.

[CaroleW]

Whe searching using the 1843 original birthyear - I also saw that 1851 entry but had to dismiss it as you say his father is William on his marriage cert and no occupation to compare with.  The birthyear for that Francis is 1845

The 1861 entry with widowed mother Eleanor links back to that 1851 entry with a father Francis

There is no Frank/Francis Watson on the 1851 with a father William that fits with an 1847/48 birthyear

There is one with a father William (bricklayer) and mother Hannah who was b 1843/44 but again - I had to dismiss that one as well as you said his mother was Eleanor.  However - William & Hannah are not the right parents as they are both still alive in 1871 whereas William was deceased on Francis's 1869 marriage cert




 

[womud]

Thanks again Carole
I guess I will start again just with the basics I know that his father was William and and Keelman and he was dead in 1869.  IN the 1871/1881/ 1891  & 1901 census they list Fracncis/franks as been born 1847/48. 
Thank you for your help again I will see how I go.
Regards
Womud

[CaroleW]

I know that his father was William

Unfortunately you don't.  You only know that it is the name he gave for his father when he married.

Many illegitimate children made up a fathers name when they married so as to appear "respectable" and invariably - that "father" was deceased at the time so no questions could be asked. 

Many also used grandfathers and uncles names

You now say that William was a keelman on the marriage cert but when I asked you that question - this was your reply

What was his fathers occupation on the marriage cert

Your reply

on the fmarriage certificate it just says william was dead.

Were either of the witnesses to the marriage surname Watson