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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #27 on: Friday 18 November 05 20:53 GMT (UK) »

Annie,

have you tried posting on italiangenealogy.com

George
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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #28 on: Friday 18 November 05 21:57 GMT (UK) »


Hi George!

You know I can't remember if I've been there or not - I have to go through my stuff!! every so often I come back to him - then I get mad at him - for not being where I think he should be!! ;)
He's just been a pain in the tush for years!!
Isn't this a "fun" hobby??

Annie
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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #29 on: Friday 18 November 05 22:14 GMT (UK) »

Annie,

Your in the best hands with my friend Suanj

George
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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #30 on: Friday 18 November 05 22:18 GMT (UK) »



She has been terrific! - every so often she pops up with something else!!

small world - if she's a friend of yours!!

Annie!! :)
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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #31 on: Friday 18 November 05 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Suanj,
has kept me going over the past 12 months. Don't know what I would do without her.

George
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Re:Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #32 on: Friday 29 February 08 16:00 GMT (UK) »
 
Hi Annie, again me!
so long time! I never forgot you, and in my free time, I make the long search with so much difficulties...
I know that in the marriage act show: Mugnaio, but it could be mispelled and also so much... however I'm pretty sure that from Norman input, the original name of Matthew Miller was John/Giovanni....

I know all censuses discrepances abt the Matthew birthplace, but I'm most sure that in the 1901 Matthew said the truth:
he was born in Liverpool, almost by my search....

Matthew Miller born as John Miller in Liverpool 1853, was the son of a italian man emigrated in UK and married at a ireland woman... this man in first time of emigration in UK was a musician, and also when born the children , after changed the him work... him name was Anthony Miller italian, but in 1 census he declared himself as born in ireland, and in all other censuses as italian british subject.....

Sure trace of Anthony Miller italian are in 1871 census and the oldest son was John Miller:

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I believe that Anthony died in 1913 abt.....
but what was the italian surname?????
I know that in Matthew marriage act was wrote Mugnaio... but frankly I believe mistaken or no right....

Strange census records:
I searched in 1861 census and 1851 census... and the only Anthony Miller, italian, musician, married at Mary( married Miller), born Ireland, ages matching, well living in Warrington, Lancashire... the problem is that no John/Matthew presence, so this record could be no right... I searched so much in 1861 census, but this is the only record matching for ages, profession, birthplaces and names....

Abt 1851 it is a Anthony ..., italian, musician in Manchester... the surname is transcribed as: Miedive
but from direct reading of handwriting, and knowing the italian surnames, it is NICOLINI....
so also this record is strange....

However abt Anthony Miller I'm pretty sure that he is the John/Matthew father

Just for let you know that I no missing you....
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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #33 on: Friday 29 February 08 16:06 GMT (UK) »
We need some fresh eyes -

Matthew Miller ( husband of Margaret Every ) b.1885 -  was the son of Matthew Miller born in Sicily about 1852 -  and it is believed by the family -  his name was Ignazio Mugnaio

1881 census says he was born in Palermo British Subject -  all later census say he was born in Liverpool!   

One of his greatgrand children went to Sicily last year -  to visit the State Archives in Palermo
A professional Sicilian Genealogist was engaged to search the city records - but nothing was found
LDS chuch yielded nothing -  after waiting 2 months for copies of births for periods 1850-1860
Kew yields nothing -  except stiff necks and sore backs!
many shipping lists etc -  yield nothing
copious letter writing  - yields nothing
so where can we go from here ? does anybody have any different ideas -
right now we're not seeing wood for trees -
we've walked away and tried to forget about it - but it keeps coming back....
there is much information after his arrival in Liverpool -  but nothing before
and the family just wants to know.....

Would really appreciate any suggestions or help
Thanking you in advance!
abt Matthew 1891 census, this could be correct?

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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #34 on: Friday 29 February 08 20:19 GMT (UK) »


 suanj !!!! .... how lovely to see you !!  :D I was only talking about you the other day !!  :D

Let me go through this stuff and get back to you !

I'm amazed you still remembered .... thank you !!

Annie  :)
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Re: ITALY: Ignazio Mugnaio aka Matthew Miller
« Reply #35 on: Friday 29 February 08 20:43 GMT (UK) »


 suanj !!!! .... how lovely to see you !!  :D I was only talking about you the other day !!  :D

Let me go through this stuff and get back to you !

I'm amazed you still remembered .... thank you !!

Annie  :)

Hi Annie, glad hearing from you.... this is a good stuff...! I think that we are no far from the truth... abt Anthony I'm sure... abt surname.... oh it is a mystery... hoping not for much time....! Kisses, suanj