The April 2005 Rootschat Challenge

[Nessie]

Esholt is near Shipley, Baildon and Guisley and is only a small village so may not be shown on maps.

[Kevwood]

Can i just point out that sue has lionel as age 50 in canada but malcolm has him as 32 thats a big difference!!!

Kev.

[Boongie Pam]

But Sue said the age had been overwriten and originally said 20 or 30?

Pam
 

[KathyM]

Info from 1851 census - which may help

HO107/2285/376

Lower Baildon - Baildon
Charles BLAND   Head   Wid   77   Hand Loom Weaver - stuff B: Allerton
Sarah BLAND      dau     Unm  34                                             Baildon
Mary E BLAND    g/dau            8                                                 "
Hannah BLAND  g/dau            3                                                 "

Same Ref - next page

Obbutt ? Hill
John BLAND   Head   Widow   47  Hand Loom Weaver stuff  B: Baildon
Charles BLAND son   Unm      24               "                                   "
William BLAND  son   Unm      20               "                                   "
Mary BLAND     dau   Unm      19  Housekeeper                             "
Benjamin BLAND son  Unm    14  Corn Miller                                 "
John BLAND        son             12  scholar                                      "
Edmund BLAND   son              8      "                                             "


Also in Baildon - a few pages on, there is a Stephen BLAND 17 listed as a visitor at the home of  William RAISTRICK & his wife Ann (both 68) - William is another Hand Loom weaver of stuff - Stephen is listed as a "Steam Weaver" born in Baildon.

There are No Bland's listed in Esholt.....

[KathyM]

Here are all the Bland entries for the 1841 census - for Baildon - again none I could find in Esholt - which is close to Baildon and today is just across the other side of the main road into Bradford...


High Butts, Baildon

John BLAND  35  Stuff weaver   y
Rachel   "      40                         y
Charles  "     14                         y
James    "      12                        y
Mary      "       9                         y
Benjamin "     5                         y
John         "    2                         y


William RAISTRICK   55  Cordwainer  y
Ann           "             55                      y
Stephen BLAND       7                        y

(visiting again?)


at Tong Park, Baildon

Francis BLAND  65  Wool Comber   y
Ellen       "        25                           y
John       "        20                           y
Esther?   "       15                           y


James BLAND   35  Wool Comber    y
Martha   "         35                           y
Abram?  "         15                           y
Ann        "         13                           y
John       "         12                           y
James     "         10                           y
William    "          8                           y
Thos?     "           6                           y
Eliza       "           3                           y
Elizabeth  "         1                           y

[KathyM]

Does anyone else think that maybe John Bland, son of Francis in 1841 could be Abraham's father......

His age should be 23/4  and would have been rounded down to 20.....

In later years he seemed to change his age to make himself appear younger.....?

Also - according to IGI - Francis married Mary TODD 2 Oct 1796 at ADDINGHAM.  John was baptised there 3 Sept 1815.....making him 26 in 1841 ??  unless they had two sons called John (first dying young?)

Was James Bland another of Francis' sons....and John's older brother?  He named his son Abraham .... could this be a family name - also he is also a Wool Comber like Francis ?

[sjsbc]

Hi,

On the 1906 Canadian census

There is one other person in the same entry as Lionel, as follows,

Dornaille (?), Thomas, servant, male, single, born England, immigrated to Canada 1906.

I am fairly confident this Lionel is our guy.  Pengarth is a very small township and I looked at all the pages that I think covered this area.  This was the only Bland I saw.  The geographical reference associated with this census entry put him in Pengarth and the year of immigration also ties in.  The only doubt would be in his age, but it has been overwritten in a much heavier pen, and I guess we have seen ages vary on census before!

Sue

[Paul E]

Does anyone else think that maybe John Bland, son of Francis in 1841 could be Abraham's father......

He named his son Abraham .... could this be a family name - also he is also a Wool Comber like Francis ?

I think you may be onto something there, Kathy...

John's 1815 baptism might possibly have been a couple of years after his birth.

The Abram in 1841 appears in Idle in 1871 living with his wife and two 'half cousins' George and Arthur Lambert aged 13 and 10 (what is a half cousin?)

Paul

[sjsbc]

OK,

for the second attempt, I will try to attatch the image of the 1906 entry.

Lionel is under enrty 237, but what is the surname of the other servant Thomas?

Sue