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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 November 10 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Well Done.

1841 Thos Gringer and family at Boro(?) street parish of Brightelstone, Thomas listed as Schoolmaster

1851 Thomas John Gring and Temple & family at 7 Temple Street, Thomas listed as Schoolmaster and Hannah as School mistress, which ties up with info I've gleaned from another topic.

Roy G, My maternal grandmother's grandfather was William Symes Grinyer, son of Thomas and Hannah.
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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #10 on: Monday 22 November 10 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Anyone interested abt the family prior to Thomas, I've Just found this

http://www.maddock.id.au/familyhistory/darcyfamily/grenier.pdf
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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #11 on: Monday 22 November 10 21:45 GMT (UK) »
Obdsmith
What I have on William Symes Grinyer is Occupation:    Tailor
Year of birth:    c1833    Date of baptism:    19 MAR 1833    Year of death:    c1914
Born a deaf mute (vol 7a)1871 Census; Living at 28 Claremont Street, Brighton.

Spouse name:    Caroline POPE who brought her son John (b c1860) into the marriage
Place of marriage:    St Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex    2 OCT 1866

If you want to send me a personal message I can fill you in on the origins of Emma Clifton who married Thomas junior and also what happened to some of his other siblings that are not listed on the website address you directed us to.
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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 30 November 10 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi, thanks for your help Roy.
I've been looking at info from that link I previously posted and also at other peoples trees on Ancestry that include Thomas John and I need some guidance,  I always thought a name was only "re used" if a infant/child died. But there seems to be two thomas's listed as Thomas and Martha sons. Thomas Grenier b. 4-7-1808 Ovingdean and Thomas John Grinyer b. 23-5-1811 Ovingdean. Any suggestions?
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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 06:08 GMT (UK) »
Re Two Thomas Grinyers beilieved to be from the same parents.
As you say, the most usual reason for the following to occur is that the child died in infancy and was replaced. 
I have Thomas GRENIER son of Thomas (& Martha) b 1808 of Ovingdean, Brighton, Sussex.
Place of baptism:    St Wulframs Church, Ovingdean, Brighton, Sussex.
Place of death:    Coopers Plains, Brisbane
Spouse name:    Mary PANNELL
Place of marriage:    St. Nicholas Church, Brighton, Sussex. (IGI)
Date of marriage:    25 NOV 1832

And the other Thomas, also son of Thomas (& Martha) b 1811 of Ovingdean.
baptised St Wulframs Church, Ovingdean, Brighton, Sussex.
Place of death:    8 Richmond Place, Brighton, Sussex.(vol 2b page146)
Notes:  1841 Living at Borough St. Brighton.
Spouse name:    Hannah BRYER
Place of marriage:    Saint Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex (IGI)
Date of marriage:    28 JAN 1830

As both these Thomas' survived into adulthood, we firstly need to eliminate the possibility that there were two sets of Thomas & Martha Grinyer/Greniers residing in Ovingdean.  Nothing on the IGI to that effect, anyone got a Sussex marriage index?

Lastly, I note both baptisms on the IGI are not not substantiated by a batch number that refers to the actual parish registers or Bishops Transcripts.  You would therefore need to check out the actual parish registers or an authenticated transcript of them.  What if one Thomas was illegitimate?   If possible, that too needs to be checked out perhaps by searching for another adult Thomas in Ovingdean or something related to the support of base born children in the parish.

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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 07:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi

From the Sussex Marriage Index there is only one Thomas Grinyer marrying a Martha
They married 27 July 1803 at Oveningdean,Martha`s maiden name Hamper.

There is no Thomas Grenier marrying a Martha on the SMI

The surname when looking on the SMI has several varients.

Hope this helps

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Omega  :)
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 07:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Here are 2 children for Thomas & Hannah

Sarah Eliza,baptised 10 Nov 1833
Dad a Grocer,living King St,Brighton

Hannah Maria,11 Sept 1836
Dad an Accountant,living Union Street.

Off to look more Kids

Omega
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Hope the following will help.

Children of Thomas John & Hannah/Anna Maria
William Symes,17 Mar 1833,Dad Grocer,living King St
Henry James,21 Feb 1841,Dad an Accountant,living Borough St
Charles Robert,6 Aug 1843,Dad & add as above
Harriet Christina,31 Jan 1847,living Temple St
Benjamin Franklin,26 Aug 1849,Dad an accountant,add as above
Martha,23 feb 1851                   " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " "
Emma Avis,9 Mar 1856,Dad Bookseller,living Richmond St

Omega  :)
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

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Re: Thomas John Grinyer
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 01 December 10 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Roy G and Omega 1,
Well it does look like they are brothers but I still feel "uncertain"
Anyone have the keys to the Tardis??
Regards Debbie :D
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