Lovell family of Riseley?

[agdal]

Hi John,

Many thanks for your replies.
To clarify (I did a lot of genealogy research, but never before in the UK, and am not a native speaker), the "indemnity bond & settlement certificate" means the Samuel Lovell & Sarah relocated from Thurleigh to Riseley in 1773, is that right? Wrt to the children, that would match. [I'll  leave the John Lovell of Thurleigh/Pertenhall aside for now, it looks like they married in Pertenhall in 1772 and you say they baptised children there later on, can't be the same couple, although possibly a brother or cousin].
Coming back to the Samuel Lovell:
- I suppose it is possible Samuel Lovell, living in 1770 in Thurleigh, married Sarah Toms (presumably b. 1747 in Riseley, living in Keysoe in 1770), in Keysoe in 1770. They would then have lived in Thurleigh, and moved by 1773 to Riseley (esp. if Sarah Toms had roots there). DOB of the mother of William/James in Riseley is then off by 5 years, but it happens.
- I have triple checked found no other likely marriage in IGI, either in Riseley, Thurleigh or Puddington, or Bedfordshire generally.
- I knew of the Puddington birth, thought it possible, but I believe this Samuel Lovell married Rebeccah Martin in 1768 in Pertenhall and then had a Samuel Lovell in 1778 in Puddington

So could you maybe confirm (many thanks again):
- did the Keysoe marriage mention Samuel and Sarah's age/parents, by any chance?
- the transcripts you have have no marriage of a Samuel Lovell in Riseley between 1766-1774? (I can't offer and IGI exact date, no listing) -  so I can rule it out
- was the Samuel Lovell who married in 1768 in Pertenhall about 19, and of Puddington? That would rule out the Puddington Samuel

Many thanks again
Astrid

[tazzie]

  Hi Astrid


  I have found a tree that has the Podington Samuel as ..
 son of Thomas & Mary  bpt 18 June 1749
 he married Rebecca and had 7 children in Podington Rebecca died he remarried Elizabeth Harrison & 3/4 more children. They have exact dates and he is listed as a pauper on baptism of his son Thomas in 1790.

  Tazzie

[agdal]

OK, great many thanks Tazzie. That means he is not the one I am looking for (I know I shouldn't be happy about it, but at least it is one possibility ruled out).
Unless someone knows of a Lovell marriage in Riseley between 1766-1774, it looks like the Keysoe marriage you first pointed out might be the right one. I admit I had doubts, but with the indemnity bond & settlement certificate John mentioned, that makes it rather likely.
So it was probably a Samuel Lovell of Thurleigh, and now I need to find out where and when he was born, and of whom, which brings me back to square one, but at least out of Riseley and possibly in Thurleigh...   I'll go back to IGI and other sources, see of which Thurleigh Lovells he might have been the son...

AGD

[johnP-bedford]

I have access to another tree on Genes Reunited (& maybe not the same one as Tazzie has seen) that has Samuel Lovell born 1849 Podington, marrying Rebecca Martin at Pertenhall on 5/12/1768 (although the PR spells her Rebekah); & they have a daughter Rebekah baptised there on 14/1/1770 before moving on to Poddington. 

Rebecca (assume the wife) Lovell, anotated as being a pauper, is buried at Podington 27/7/1794, then Samuel, widower marries Elizabeth Harrison on 3/3/1795. 3 children of Samuel & Rebecca are buried at Podington; John on 24/4/1774, James on 15/2/1786 & Samuel on 29/8/1788.

I have any interest in a later Rebecca Lovell born 1869 Wollaston Northants who was daughter if Charles & Ann Lovell, wheeelwright of Hinwick, Podington. She married a John Partridge at Wollaston & his broth Frank married Elizabeth Lovell of Wollaston. So if these are linked yo your Lovells let me know.

Meanwhile John Lovell marries Sarah Wadsworth at Pertenhall on 30 May 1775 & they have 6 children baptised there between 1773 & 1791. Daughter Sophia marries Phillip Dickins of Riseley on 28/9/1801,

cheers John 

[agdal]

Hi John,

- No, I don't believe any of the Lovells of Podington are in the line I am researching - such a shame since you found so much about them.. Neither the one who married a Dickins in Riseley, I think

- Based on your point about indemnity bond + Tazzies' point about the Keysoe marriage, I believe the Lovells I am looking for are the Samuel Lovell, labourer of Thurleigh x Sarah Toms, spinster of Keysoe, who moved from Thurleigh to Riseley in 1773... Did you have anything else about them?
 * I know you said there was no corresponding birth of a Samuel Lovell in Thurleigh around 1748...
 * by looking around for Lovells of Thurleigh, I have found this statement (unverified):  "Lovell in Wyboston. John Lovell had property at Wyboston in 1713. In 1715 one Lovell family moved to Thurleigh, Beds". I found plenty of Lovells in IGI & FreeReg there, but no Samuel born ard 1748. 

- I can see the 6 (7 actually, I think) children of John Lovell + Sarah at Pertenhall on IGI, will pencil these in until I can link them, as are most likely cousins or nephews of the Samuel Lovell who moved from Thurleigh to Riseley, again based on your information about the indemnity bonds.

Cheers
AGD

[johnP-bedford]

Hi Astrid;  The poor law papers index has another Indem entry dated 15/7/1715 for John, wife Ann, & children William, Eliz & Mary of Eaton Socon (* ? includes Wyboston) from other parish Thurleigh.

[agdal]

Hi John,

Yes, it does include Wyboston, sorry i did not reference it.

Sounds promising, including date, but am confused about the direction -  indemnity from Thurleigh... means then moved TO Thurleigh, or FROM there?

I just found on IGI a John Lovell, married to an Ann, who lost a newborn Mary in Thurleigh in 1720, and Ann died in childbirth. They're probably the same, if you can confirm the indem direction is indeed FROM Eaton Socon TO Thurleigh?

Based on dates, these could be the grandfather generation of the Samuel Lovell of Thurleigh who married in Keysoe, moved to Riseley.

Astrid