bensimon

[Niknak13]

Trying to find anything on a samuel bensimon who possibly came from tunisia or morocco back in the learly 1800's and moved to either the UK or to South Africa. Or anyone with the surname Bensimon actually, who may have moved to South Africa from anywhere in the world.

[Lynntony]

There's a Samuel Bensimon listed on the 1861 census, son, aged 29, listed at Alton in Staffordshire

Tony

[aghadowey]

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[Maryam]

Hi

There's a Samuel Bensimon listed on the 1861 census, son, aged 29, listed at Alton in Staffordshire

Tony

No, that's Samuel BEARDMORE (RG9 1950 17 3) ; image looks like aged 39. 

KR
Maryam

[Lynntony]

Hi

There's a Samuel Bensimon listed on the 1861 census, son, aged 29, listed at Alton in Staffordshire

Tony

No, that's Samuel BEARDMORE (RG9 1950 17 3) ; image looks like aged 39. 

KR
Maryam

According to FamilySearch pilot the name is BENSIMON

There is a Samuel Beardmore listed, christened 1831 which, given that it's the 1861 census, would make him 30. However, after trawling through 16 pages of entries, I can find neither a 29 year old Samuel Bensimon, or a 30 year old Samuel Beardmore! Aren't records wonderful!!

Tony

[Maryam]

Hi Tony

Ah, I was wondering where you got that "info" from   

Although FSPilot shows a Samuel Bensimon aged 29 and directs you to FindMyPast, there is no Samuel Bensimon aged 29 or indeed of any age in their census indexes for 1861; neither is there on Ancestry.

Ancestry has Samuel Beardmore aged 39 at the same Ref as Samuel Beardmore aged 29 on FindMyPast.  I had looked at both sites and images (the page is the same on both sites) and as I said before, it does appear that Samuel was recorded as aged 39.

So I've no idea where FSPilot transcribed its records from!!! 

Regarding slight discrepancies in ages on censuses, if your birth day and month were after the day and month of the census, then it would appear that you were born one year later than you actually were.  Censuses were usually taken around March/April.

KR
Maryam

[Lynntony]

Hi Maryam

It just shows what one has to contend with when searching records! Even Ancestry initially took me to the wrong place - I realised after I'd gone through 27 pages of census info! That, plus 16 pages for Alton.......................!!!

(As I couldn't find a Bensimon I searched for Beardmore and went through page by page!)

If I had any left I'd be tearing my hair out!  

Tony

[Maryam]

Hi Tony

Yep, contend is the right word!

And if you can't find them in the transcriptions, then how can you check the original!

Niknak, in the censuses available to me I can see no Bensimons transcribed in the Censuses in England until 1891, and these ones originated from Russia/Poland.  Of course, if there were any then they could have been mistranscribed.

There are some shipping records for Bensimons departing England and travelling to the US, Gibraltar and Morocco, but these are later, from c1907 onwards.

KR
Maryam

[Maryam]

There definitely seems to be a north African connection to the Bensimons:

At the Common Pleas Court, New York County
Samuel BENSIMON
Date of Naturalisation: Oct 19 1882
Bundle No: 523
Record No: 60
Address: 504, 4 Ave, NYC
Occupation: Cutter
Birth Date or Age: -
Former Nationality: Moroccan
Port of Arrival: -
Date of Arrival: Sept 1867
Witnesses to Naturalisation: Samuel Osiel, 149 Bleecker St, NYC

KR
Maryam