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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #387 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 01:21 BST (UK) »


Was working on the Binghams...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768883.0

and they intertwine with the same Dalys/Kellys/Burkes/Nugents etc of your lot plus the Binghams were in Killester and extremely near Clontarf passing Tokay on their way.

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« Reply #388 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 01:28 BST (UK) »


Grrrrr....forgot abour the Gore/Dalys, came actoss them today!!

Will check them "soon"


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« Reply #389 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 01:42 BST (UK) »
What year did Bram Stoker live there?


Stoker lived in the Crescent, Clontarf which is the curved road on map posted
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« Reply #390 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 19:47 BST (UK) »
I see that the records for St Francis Xavier,Cincinnati are now online at FindMyPast.I've done a trawl throught the 1850s and likewise can only find a Mariam Helenam born to Jacobus and Jessie(transcribed as Teresa!) Sudderland.
My only new thought is that Helen may be the name of Jessie's grandmother.This source has Capt John Sutherland's mother as Helen McBeath.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sutherland-4008

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« Reply #391 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 20:26 BST (UK) »


Well it is a given that the Daly's married Bingham's Burkes etc.....one of the same Bingham's on King James's Pedigree, this one a cousin of "your Dalys"

The  Daly's/Kelly's I think are the same Kellys rattling around Galway etc on the last 2 or 3 pages on the other thread.


I know the Pedigree is small but nothing else of interest on it.


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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #392 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 21:01 BST (UK) »
This thread has a life of its own for sure  ;)

On the Sutherland side, with your mention Roger and link you have included.

One of the daughters of James Sutherland and Helen McBeath shows as Rachel. This is likely her entry in 1784 from FS: www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYD3-S45 The original parish entry on Scotlands People may well add/confirm more details.

I think Helen Beath may show as Captain James Sutherland's servant in 1791-2 in Birsay Orkney https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/female-servant-tax-rolls-1785-1792/female-servant-tax-rolls-volume-26-1791-2-counties-m-w/79

For those with a subs to Ancestry, there is this limited tree showing on there for Rachel www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/32192457/person/28139379541/facts

It does include a link to Captain James Sutherland's will www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_311454-00383/280041?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/32192457/person/20307170539/facts/citation/1162137685209/edit/record  This must be where the reference comes from in the wikitree linked above to Captain John being a 'natural son' of Captain James.

Captain James Sutherland looks to never have married.  From memory now, will have to retrace, there was a Jessie Sophia Sutherland showing in early censuses connected to this group. The name Jessie Sophia is certainly a rare combination so makes possible links to "our" Jessie Sophia look promising with all the info so far.

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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #393 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 22:01 BST (UK) »
Isn't hallmark's Jessie Sutherland the half-sister of John Sutherland (father of Jessie Sophia)? I seem to remember the names Broadfoot, Balfe, etc. from the will of James Sutherland, Lord Duffus.

Was this ever investigated??
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Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« Reply #394 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 22:26 BST (UK) »
Don't think it was?

From 1851 in Regent's Park, London:

Esther Broadfoot 64 head b. Orkney, Scotland
Jessie Sutherland 55 sister b. Orkney, Scotland
Esther S Broadfoot 19 daughter b. Gibraltar
Margaret Hunter 35 servant
Fanny Ward 23 servant

Esther Sutherland married Alexander Broadfoot in London in 1827 and died in the Camden area on 13 January1861. Her daughter Ester Sutherland Broadfoot was executor to her will.

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« Reply #395 on: Tuesday 08 October 19 22:31 BST (UK) »
In the 1861 census in Kensington London, niece Esther with aunt, following the death of her mother. All showing as unmarried:

Jessie Sutherland 65 b. Scotland
Esther S Broadfoot 29 niece b. Gibaltrar
Margaret E Broadfoot 57 niece vis. (not clear) b. Scotland
and 3 servants

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