Would you connect these records to this family?

[Hazel17]

I am tracing the maternal line of Edward John Pearmine Roberts. His parents Sophia Pearmine and John Roberts were married 28/10/1798 St George in The East. After this date the Roberts family are located in St Mary Rotherhithe.

The only baptism for Sophia that fits is for Lydia Siohia Pearman 1772 St Mary Rotherhtihe. The age is 3 years younger than her age at burial in 1841 (she just misses the census by days) so it seems to fit. The parents of Lydia Sophia are Edward and Elisabeth.

I have found a marriage for Edward Peermine bachelor  and Elisabeth Martin widow (indexed on Ancestry as Purmine) in 1769 St Mary Rotherhithe. 3 children appear to born the couple baptised 1770/2/4 all at St Mary's so it appears to fit. Edward dies in 1776 aged 38 so he was born about 1738.

There is another Pearmine/man family having children in the 1770s/80s in St Mary Rotherhithe - Robert and Margaret. They appear to have one of their children baptised in St George in the East in between the baptisms in Rothehithe. It may be a coincidence but I was wondering if Robert and Edward were brothers. I was looking for something to explain why Sophia got married at St George in the East. (I don't know much about her husband John Roberts yet so it may be that's where he was from).

I can't find a baptism for Edward or Robert but on the family search beta site I did turn up a baptism for Edward in Botley Hampshire in 1738 - that Edward has a younger brother Robert bap 1751 and also a sister Lydia. Parents are John and Elizabeth - 2 of Edward's children are called John and Elizabeth. Am I just speculating over the Botley connection or you would add it to your tree? Can I anyone find anything about the Pearman/mine family that would help rule anything in  or out - either in London or Botley. I'm open to all suggestions.

[ggrocott]

I would add it to the tree with some very big question marks and a note of all the details.

[jorose]

Do you know anything about the occupations of this family?

There is an Edward Pearmine, mastermaker of Rotherhithe, who left a will in 1847 (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ )

[Hazel17]

Edward is a sawyer on his burial. I have just discovered a child burial for one of Robert's sons and it says son of a sawyer so it looking more and more like there is a link between Edward and Robert just need to have another clue to link them I think.

A master maker sounds intriguing - but a master of making what? Could be a grandson. Am exploring Edward's chlidren at the moment in the hope it will shed some light - son John appears to have more than one son called Edward, still looking for matching burials to work out if the youngest lived to be an adult!

[Hazel17]

Yes it looks like that Edward is the grandson of my Edward. On his burial he is a licensed victualler - age tallies with baptism - must have had 2 occupations but I do know that many victuallers also had a daytime job. A good find Jorose 

[Hazel17]

I'm just updating this thread to say I found marriage licenses for Edward and Robert and both are given as sawyers. No more clues coming out of the woodwork yet though.

[janan]

Hi

Have you seen this  burial?

St Mary Rotherhithe  3 Jan 1799 Robert s of James Pearmine Sawyer of Trinity St

Looks too much of a coincidence not to be connected to your family

Jan

[Hazel17]

Thanks Jan. I have come  across James Pearmine sawyer tonight too but I can't find a baptism for him so I can't work out how he links to the Pearmines. I'm guessing he is Robert's son but as Robert married in 1774 then he would have to be one of his first sons and marrying pretty quickly. I agree its too much of a coincidence for it not to fit somewhere in my tree! 

[janan]

Maybe James is a younger sibling of Edward and Robert?

On the IGI there is this extracted baptism

James Pearmain baptised Botley, Hants 27 Jun 1759 parents John and Elizabeth

Jan

There is also an interesting burial in St George in the East Feb 23 1766 of Elizabeth Pearmain age 48 abode WH  - may be totally unconnected of course