Harrietts maiden name

[toni*]

hi all this should be relatively simple but i can't see it  i am after Harrietts maiden name and for completeness
or maybe i just need someone to confirm what i have

David Taylor
born 1849 Southborough s/o David Taylor & Jane nee Chapman
1851 HO107/1614 411 25 Tonbridge, Kent  Holden
1861 RG9/493 147 17
Squall Corner Cottage, Village/ Hamlet Southborough, Tubridge
 in 1868 married Ellen Attaway
1869 Birth of a daughter Florence Elizabeth in the Parish of Withyham,
1871 RG10/1056/14/20
Lodge Gate, Withyham, gardener
1872 Birth of a daughter Edith in the Parish of Withyham,
1881 RG11/1037/11/16
69 High Street Alfriston Jobbing Gardener
1891 census RG12/775/44/3
Vicars Cottage Alfriston
1901RG13; Piece: 887; Folio: 6; Page: 3
HIgh Street Alfriston


1911 Census shows Harriett Taylor wife aged 57 being married to David for 3 years , Harriett has children from her first marriage to Mr Phillips (now know to be George)
Amos  who was 'at home ' in 1911
and grandson Frank who was also 'at home' (do not know Franks mother)
2 east view alexandra rd heathfield

1901 shows Harriett at 2 East View widow with son Amos and grandson Frank RG13 889 37 13
1891 Platelayers hut Waldron with husband George and son Amos RG12;  784;  65; 14;
Births Dec 1881   PHILLIPS  Amos    Ticehurst  2b 118
1881 Harriett & George at Adamswell Railway Crossing Frant with daus Clara aged 7 and Adelaide aged 4
RG11 1049 58 8
Births Mar 1874   Phillips  Clara    Ticehurst  2b 100


Marriages Dec 1907      Eastbourne  2b 147
PHILLIPS  Harriet       
TAYLOR  David     


ps i have literally just found a marriage in Q4 1878 Ticehurst for a George Phillips & Harriett Attaway
David Taylors wife was Ellen Attaway so maybe Harriett & Ellen are sisters and thats how she knew David and they married AFTER the dead wifes siter act came in.

Harriett says she was born Chiddingstone like Ellen but the marriage to George in 1878 is after daughter Clara was born

slightly confused
Toni

[danuslave]

Hi toni*

1851  -  HO107/1641/11/14 

George Attoway 41
Emily Attoway 26 b Chiddingstone
Jane Attoway 10   William Attoway 11 b Cowden
Ellen Attoway 7 Emma Attoway 6  James Attoway 1  b Chiddingstone

1861 - RG9/578/13/19

Ellen Attaway is a servant living away from her family

1861  -  RG9/490/84/13

George Attaway 49 Emily Attaway 39 Jane Attaway 18 James Attaway 11 all b Chiddingstone
Harriett Attaway 9 b Cowden

So it looks as though Ellen & Harriett could have been sisters.  You would probably need birth certificates to be absolutley sure

Linda

[toni*]

thanks Linda 

[Zacktyr]

Hi Toni,

I have just taken a look at your ATTAWAY-TAYLOR-PHILLIPS problem.  Linda is correct.  You will need birth certificates for both Ellen and Harriet to determine the exact relationship between them as they could have been sisters, aunt and niece or cousins of each other. 

Personally, I would not find it surprising at all to see a marriage of a couple up to 10 years after the birth of their first child.  There are many reasons why couples did not marry immediately but instead lived together as man and wife in what we would know, today, as a common law arrangement - too many to go into here.  But proving that the first birth is a product of the couple of that delayed marriage must be done with a birth certificate for that first child. 

Accordingly, you will have to order the birth certificate for Clara PHILLIPS to determine that her mother had indeed been Harriet ATTAWAY and that her father had been George PHILLIPS.  Clara may have been born to another set of parents or to George PHILLIPS with a first wife.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Susan