Looking for Michael McGovern Russagh

[isobel58]

Hi Emer

I  noticed the differences in the ages between the 1901 and the 1911 Census too.  The 1911 census is definitely them as my grandfather Michael a visitor from Scotland is there too.  I can't understand why Michael wasn't on the 1901 Census unless he was visiting Scotland at the time??

I found on the Scottish Census records that there was the same problem, I think for what ever reason people didn't tell the truth about age and especially in Scotland, where they were born. 

I'm hopeful I will find something out from the emails I sent.  I'll keep you posted.

Isobel

[aghadowey]

Ages are often wrong and vary more than 10 years from one census to another, especially amongst people who are illiterate or semi-illiterate.
Have you searched the 1901 census for Michael McGovern using just his initials? people in institutions are not listed by name and if he was in a hospital, workhouse, etc. he'd be listed that way.

[isobel58]

Hi,

Thanks for your reply

No I didn't try looking in the 1901 under the inital, but will try it now and post if I find anything.  Thanks for that, it's something I would never have thought of.

Isobel

[isobel58]

Hi

Nothing with just the initial.     Also checked the Scottish and English Census and he's not there either.  The only other thing I can think of is may be he was in America at that time as he definitely had one or two children living there. ?

[Pastmagic]

Hi Isobel,

There is always the possibility that he was just in another house on the night of the census and got overlooked, or the form was never collected.
He was a farmer and may have been escorting cattle to Liverpool as was the custom of the time, - the James in 1901 is in the cattle drover trade, and they used to literally walk from Mullingar to the docks in Dublin then..

I think you have several good lines of enquiry left:

- the parish priest, locals and local historians in Rathowen.
- the newspaper archives for Lorenzo who gets 90 hits in the   
   irishnewspaperarchives site.
- the valuation books, but you need to do those in person in Dublin - so
   hope the lotto comes up soon for you!
    http://www.valoff.ie/Research.htm

-   the Us Immigration and Naturalization Lists on Ancestry, and the US 
    1881 census on familysearch.org or The Irish Emigration Database (IED).

[Perhaps some kind rootschatter could offer more advice on where to look, exactly for McGoverns from Street Rathowen or Russagh  1860 to 1912 - to cover any trips Mchael or his children may have made]

-  there is one family tree on Ancestry with Michael and Brigid in it, owned
    by a Fiona descended from John in Scotland, no further back than
    you have already. (You probably have this one!}

Looks like Lorenzo was posted to Africa after he left Ireland. I am sure he would have had a good obituary in the Southern Cross Newspaper in Buenos Aries.

http://books.google.ie/books?id=fdTjAAAAMAAJ&q=Lorenzo+McGovern&dq=Lorenzo+McGovern&hl=en&ei=sAcFTfTtD8T2sgaTwZH_

I found their archive and their staff very helpful in the past.

http://www.tsc.com.ar/notacomp.php?id=1014

http://www.tsc.com.ar/portada.php

http://books.google.ie/books?id=fdTjAAAAMAAJ&q=Lorenzo+McGovern&dq=Lorenzo+McGovern&hl=en&ei=sAcFTfTtD8T2sgaTwZH_

[The Irish Emigration Database is a computerised collection of primary source documents on Irish emigration to North America (USA and Canada) in the 18th and 19th centuries. It contains a variety of original material including emigrant letters, newspaper articles, shipping advertisements, shipping news, passenger lists, official government reports, family papers, births deaths and marriages and extracts from books and periodicals. The project is ongoing and is a vital research resource for historians, teachers, students and genealogists with interests relating to Irish emigration to North America.

Currently the Irish Emigration Database is available through the Centre for Migration Studies, the Public Records Office Northern Ireland (PRONI) and in Northern Ireland libraries through the Local Studies Departments and public access terminals in the branch libraries.] Sorry if I am giving you info you already have! PM

[isobel58]

Hi Emer

wow, how amazing are you?  thanks a million for all this info.  No, I haven't seen the tree on Ancestry, will need to take a look.  I will check out all the leads you gave me.
Still waiting to hear back from my emails.

Will definitely keep you posted.

thanks again,

Isobel

[isobel58]

Hi Emer

Can't find the tree belonging to Fiona on ancestry. You have me intrigued. Can you give me any help in finding it.  The only one that I see is Rosemary McGuire's tree and she's related to me through my Dad's side and we are working together on our trees.

Thanks

 Isobel

[Pastmagic]

Hi Isobel,

I'll have a look and Pm that Fiona ref. Have just found a possible family on the Ellis Island database...will let you know  if it checks out. PM

[isobel58]

Hi Emer

Great, thanks.  I have sent an email to the Southern Cross people.  Fingers crossed I'll get a reply.

Hope the Ellis Island ref is one of my lot

Thanks

Isobel