A place Vron Vriara

[powderpuff]

I have records in 1881 of a person born in a place Vron Vriara, and possibly the same person in a later census stating as born in Vron Chirk, both in Denbighshire.

Does anyone local to the area know of a place Vron Vriara. Is it near to Chirk.

Genuki records have been unsuccessful but I did find a place Fron Frys in the area on google. If the enumerator wasn't local it's possible the place name could have been spelt phonically. 

[Jo Harding]

Hello powderpuff,

I agree that Fron would be more likely as a place name than Vron. Have you considered it might be the name of the property, rather than a place as such?

I think that Vron is the Anglicised version of Fron, which means hillside, or slope.

I have seen properties with the name of Vron, followed by another name usually.

Can you give details of the name of the person and census reference so we can all have a look and see what we think?

Jo

[powderpuff]

Hi Jo,
Thank you for looking,..I'm tracing a Samuel Jones b. 1855 married to an Elizabeth b.1855 in Glyn which I assume to be Glyn Ceriog.  With so many Samuel's and Elizabeth I would like to make sure I'm on the right track.

1891 census, RG12/4619/108, pg 19,

1881 census, RG11/5155/31, pg 5

[wrjones]

We seem to have fallen at the first fence here!I can't find them in 1881 with the reference you gave?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[ScouseBoy]

Try substituting F for the V,   because  the anglicised spelling can be Fron.

Have you any idea of the parish or the village?

[ScouseBoy]

Come back here in an hour,  I will do some searching for you.  I think it may be the name of a house. One other thought, Try the Royal Mail address finder web site.

[powderpuff]

Hi

So sorry,  that will teach me for writing it down too quickly,  the 1881 census should have read

piece 5515,  not piece 5155 

Thanks

[powderpuff]

Thanks Scouseboy, trying the royal mail is a great idea

[wrjones]

I have seen the 1881 entry after someone on Ancestry left the link for the entry with the 1891 entry.The Census entries don't reveal a lot really,I certainly don't recognise a moden place called Vron Vriara despite having lived all my life barely a mile and a half away.Having said all that Samuel Jones doesn't readily show himself in either the 1861 or 1871 Census years.

As far as their marriage after looking on North Wales BMD its a virtual lucky dip!There is a possible Wrexham Civil Mariage in 1877 of a Samuel Jones and an Elizabeth Parry,with an Elizabeth Parry showing as born in Glyn in the  Merionethshire Census 1861 as born in Glyn in c 1854 but showing with a family that does not look too straight forward!
RG9/4313/36/2.

Regards
William Russell Jones.