WINSTANLEY- Bolton area

[Maggie 52]

I'm trying to find an Ellen Winstanley in the 1851 and 1861 census, probably in the Bolton area. She was born in 1844, and her father was possibly John Winstanley.
Many thanks, Maggie.

[lizdb]

Cant see one living with a Dad called John, but there is one with mum in Bolton, though a little older, and one with grandparents elsewhere in Lancashire.

What else do you know about her? Have yuo got her on later censuses? Where did dad's name come from? a marriage cert? if so what was his occupation, and when and where and who did Ellen marry, and have you got her on censuses after her marriage, if so where did she say she was born?
(sorry - what a lot of questions!)

[lizdb]

The one in Bolton in 1851 - age 10 with widowed mother Elizabeth - appears to have a Dad called John, as the family are also in Bolton in1841 as John 25, Betty 24 and Ellen age 1, under Winstandley.

[Maggie 52]

Thanks for your help Liz.
 I only know of Ellen through her marriage to the Carabine family I am tracing. She married John in 1862, but the marriage appears to have foundered, as she remarried in 1883. I am hoping to try and trace any other Winstanley siblings that Ellen may have had, in particular whether she had a sister called Mary. So I am hoping that someone can find Ellen's family in 1861 before she got married.
Maggie

[lizdb]

Here are the full detials of the 1851 one I found
As I said before, 1841 indicates that Dad was probably John.

1851
HO107 2210 469 34
Old Acres, Great Bolton
Elizabeth 33 widow Hand loom weaver (cotton)
Ellen 10
Samuel 8
William 5    all bn Bolton

[lizdb]

Aha - whist looking for that one in 1861, I have come across another Ellen Winstanley with a father called John, with a slightly better age to fit yours!

1861
RG9 2827 76 15
24 Backbodry? Rd Bolton
John 47 Overlocker in Cotton factory bn Compton
Margaret 46 bn West Indies
Ellen 18
Mary Ann 15
Elizabeth 13
Margaret 9
John 6
Thomas 3  all children bn Bolton

what was her address at marriage in 1862? And her dad's occupation?
 

[Maggie 52]

I have Ellen's address on marriage as Back Derby Street.
Maggie

[Maggie 52]

Father's occupation looks like overlooker, but may well be overlocker.
So the 1861 census looks like a good fit, especially having a sister called Mary.
Have you got 1871 census for that family to see if Mary is still at home?
If this Mary is correct I am looking for her marriage and hoping it is to an Atkinson!
Thanks Maggie

[lizdb]

1871 (yes Mary Ann still at home)

RG10 3941 50 33
78 Noble Street, Bolton

John 56 Overlooker spinner (cotton) bn Caxton??
Margaret 55 bn West Indies Barbados
Mary Ann 25
Eliza 22
Margaret 18
John 16
Thomas 13   all children bn Bolton


(in 1861 it might well be overlooker not overlocker!)