mary ann hamann

[lavender123]

i have looked on free bmd for mary ann   simmon s  formerley hamann, the only info i have is that she had a son harold simmons born 10th november 1907 at 22 hooper road custom house. and her husband frederick simmons was a dock labourer. on the registration district for harolds birth certificate is says west ham in the sub district of canning town, any information on mary ann parent ould be greatly appreciated. thankyou

[Spidermonkey]

Frederick Simmonds married Mary Ann Hamann Nov 8th 1896 at St James the Great, Bethnal Green

Frederick Simmonds / 25 / Bachelor / Engine cleaner / 13 Mansford St/ Frederick Simmonds / Foreman
Mary Ann Hamann / 25 / Spinster / 13 Mansford St / Peter Hamann / Deceased

Witnesses were Gertrude Hamann and Charles Green?  (looks like he died halfway through writing his signature  )

[cath151]

hi,
Which could fit with the 1871 Census
RG10/523 0/2 Gowers Walk, Jones Buildings, Whitechapel

On 1901 census Mary Ann is down as born Gowers Walk, London.
1871 is part missing  but you can see

Peter Haman  head mar  60  Cooper  Germany
?          "         wife   mar   38                 "
?          "                   dau   8                 England
?Joseph "                son   7                 Middlesex, Whitechapel
?            "                 dau  2                   "                  "
Mariana Haman       dau   1                   "                  "   

Best wishes
 Cathy

[cath151]

Hi,
Sorry, Peter and his wifes pob should have read Prussia.
Here is Frederick and Mary Ann in 1901, Simmonds on image but same family is in Canning Town in 1911 as Simmons.

RG13/1580  148/1
2, Argyle Road, West Ham.
Frederick Simmonds  head mar 30 Dock Labourer  Gravesend, Kent
Mary Ann     "            wife   mar 31                          Gowers Walk, London
Alice             "            dau           8                           Essex, West Ham
Mary             "            dau           6                            "
Frederick   "                son          5                             "
Lily             "               dau          2                             "
Sidney       "                son          5mos                      "
Maggie Young       Visitor  single 19                          "
Fred Fish               Visitor  mar     28                        Erith, Kent

There is a death for a Peter Hamann aged 58 in Whitechapel OND 1877 so does nt tally with age on 1871.
I can t find Mary Ann etc on 1881 or 1891. 

Cathy

[Spidermonkey]

Now, I found Mary earlier, but I can't remember which census it was    I know I had to get to her via Gertrude because Gertrude was still Hamann but Mary wasn't.

Off I go.....

[Spidermonkey]

Here we go - 1901 RG13; Piece: 1585; Folio: 7; Page: 6

Looks like Mary's surname is Offkay (indexed as Ottkay)

[Spidermonkey]

Mary Margaret Ottkay died Mar qtr 1905 West Ham 4a 86 aged 72

[Spidermonkey]

Mary and new husband in 1891:
47 Rathbone St, West Ham
Theodore G Ottkay  Head  Mar  39  Watchmaker  bn German
Mary Ottkay (MORRY on index!)  Wife  mar  58  bn Germany
George Haman  son  11  bn London
RG12; Piece: 1321; Folio 6; Page 6

[Spidermonkey]

There is a Peter Hamann , a married, 58 year old servant bn Cobling, Germany on the 1861 census.  Profession is given as cooper RG9; Piece: 270; Folio: 117; Page: 21