Rose Edith Johnson

[jennyrob]

Looking for info on Rose Edith Johnson and her husband Walter William Spencer I have the birth cert of Cyril Walter their son born 1903 in Islington

I can find them on1911 census living in Islington Walter was Tailors Cutter on BC he is a mantle cutterborn Stepney and Rose Strafford,London There is another childIvy1905 Islington
It says they have been married 12 years.

 I cant find Rose in 1901 There is a WalterWilliam  in that area as a widower and a grocer living with parents James and Emma
Any help would be appreciated

[Isobelruss]

Could this be Rose 1901

Rose E Spencer 24 married b Bishopsgate
Thomas H 2mths son b North Hackney
3 Chalgrove Villas Tottenham St Pauls

RG13 1247/152/48

Just looked at 1911 she only had 2 children both living so Thos H cant be hers

[Eyesee]

Isobel

Think that Thomas H is a son of Thomas Henry Percy and Rose Elizabeth SPENCER, born 9 Jan 1901 and baptised at Clapton Common St Thomas on 3 Feb 1901. Thomas Henry was an Able Seaman, so possibly away at census

Ian C

[Evie]

Hi

In St John's Road Workhouse there is an Ivy Lillian baptised 'outside' she was the illegitimate daughter of Rose Edith Johnson or Spencer with Spencer in brackets. She was born July 19th 1905

evie

[Eyesee]

St John's Holloway baptism
1869 May 16, Walter William, s/o James & Emma SPENCER, 5 Whittington Place, Labourer
Fits with 1901 census

Possibly Rose in 1901 - RG13/1615/90/27
146 Grove Green Road, Leyton, Essex
Thomas G JOHNSON, head mar 60. Solicitors clerk, born Middlesex, Westminster
Sophia E JOHNSON, wife mar 60, born Surrey, Camberwell
William J JOHNSON, son unm 32, Painter house, born Middlesex, Holborn
Emily E JOHNSON, dau unm 25, Mantle maker, born ditto
Rose E JOHNSON, dau unm 21, Mantle maker, born ditto
Alice M JOHNSON, dau unm 17, born Essex, Stratford

Rose Edith JOHNSON birth Mar qtr 1880, Holborn

The only other Rose Edith was born Kingston 1878, but she died in 1890.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

The Johnson family were in West Ham Essex in 1881, and so Rose might have thought she was born there, giving Stratford as her birthplace on Cyril's birth cert in 1903.

Ian C

[jennyrob]

Thanks so much I have been looking for weeks All this is looking very promising and perhaps explains why i cant find marriage cert for them at the date I was looking.

 The mantle cutter is favourable too with mantle maker!
Did Cyril show up in the workhouse or can you tell me where to access this info

[Evie]

Hi

The record of Ivy Lillian was found in the London, England Births and Baptisms, 1813 - 1906.

As yet I cannot see anything for Cyril.

evie

[jennyrob]

My friend has found out Ivy Lillian was her relative but not much else is known It is beleived Rose had a brother William and sister Lily .I find it a bit weird that Rose was in the workhouse but if her father is the Thomas and Sophia mentioned, Thomas was a solicitors clerk which must have been a good job .Is there a place I can find these work house records Thanks